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So one interesting thing about our bird is that when it was re-imported back to the states, it got a "scuff and shoot" paint job, not a full strip and repaint. When it's washed and waxed to maximum shiny-ness (which still doesn't make it a looker, but it's a workhorse, not a show plane), you can actually see the contours of the old "DR" registration identifier on the wing. Thanks for the translations, folks. I can figure most of it out from context, but never bothered to look line-by-line. As one might expect with a brand new airplane, there is nothing really of note in those early logs: just oil changes, air filters, and normal inspections.
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The 1976 F model is the finest Mooney ever produced. Ask me how I know.
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Portable oxygen practical questions
Vance Harral replied to flynboy's topic in Modern Mooney Discussion
Same as Ron, my portable rig goes in a carry bag that straps to the front seats (I choose to hang it over the co-pilot seat, as it makes it easier to reach from the pilot seat). Quick Google search turns up this: https://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/pspages/aeroxcase.php Mine is similar, though it has clip-in straps that can be used to pretty securely strap the case to the seat. The one I linked to doesn't seem to have as elaborate a strap setup. -
This is already happening - occasionally - at KBJC. "Nxxxx, you up on my frequency?" Nothing official about it yet, but happening just the same.
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preheat with a heat gun?
Vance Harral replied to Derrickearly's topic in Vintage Mooneys (pre-J models)
Please consider an arrangement that keeps the gun itself outside the cowl, and directs the hot air it blows up through the cowl flap. For one thing, hot air rises, so blowing hot air along the top of the engine is not going to be very effective in heating it. More importantly, though, a number of things can go wrong with the arrangement you propose. Some are admittedly small risks, like accidentally catching the frame of the gun or its power cord on your fuel injector lines and bending/breaking them. But some are potentially catastrophic, like the heating element or the temp controller malfunctioning, and starting a fire while unsupervised. When it comes to inexpensive DIY heating solutions, there just a lot of good, common-sense risk mitigation in keeping the thing that is generating the heat outside the engine compartment. -
How much it matters is an interesting question. We actually have the basemap turned off in our regular map view, because we find it distracting. More importantly, the AFMS limitations specifically reference the navigation database, but not any other databases. The conclusion I drew for our own operations is that the basemap has essentially zero impact on our operations. But we still keep it up to date.
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Earlier this year, Garmin released a new version of the basemap database for GTN series navigators, version 20M1. That database version had a bug, see https://s23634.pcdn.co/en-US/aviationalerts/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/BasemapDataAlert_2020_08_14_basemap20m1_2092.pdf If you updated to 20M1, you were advised to revert back to 19M1. We got advance wind of this and never updated to 20M1. More recently, basemap 20M2 was released to fix the bug in 20M1, but turns out there's a lesser issue with version 20M2 as well. You can download 20M2 to an SD card, upload it to the GTN, and fly a flight with no problem. But the next time you power cycle the unit, it will fail the database verification step on the basemap database. I wrote Garmin about this problem and received an immediate response with a pointer to a recently released "knowledge base article" on the issue at https://support.garmin.com/en-US/aviation/faq/h4EcVRF0Nz0y2EEfl0IrT8/ That article describes a process by which you can upload the even older version 18M1 basemap to your GTN, then update to 20M2 from 18M1. Those of you with a little bit of computer savvy may speculate as I do that "verification" of GTN databases at boot-up is simply a checksum process, wherin the unit checksums the databases and compares the computed checksum against a known good signature. The nature of this bug suggests the known-good-signature checksum somehow depends on the previous version of the database from which the current database was upgraded. I can't imagine why the software engineers would design it to work that way, but my speculation may be way off base - I freely admit I lack any low-level knowledge of how GTN database verification works. Anyway, posting this here for others who may be struggling with this, and wondered like me if their SD card(s) and/or GTN unit might be faulty. It's not pilot error - it's the software.
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Today's flight in the year 2020
Vance Harral replied to bonal's topic in Miscellaneous Aviation Talk
Not many chances to fly IMC in a piston single around here (Colorado). But coming home from Texas yesterday afternoon, I cruised over an undercast for more than an hour. And with the sun at just the right angle for it, I saw for the first time ever in my Mooney, glory. -
Here's a good article on LP+V. Note the "smoking hole" illustration: https://www.planeandpilotmag.com/article/tripped-up-by-stepdowns/
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Peoples' experiences with headsets are deeply personal, based on personal preference and head/ear anatomy. So you're not going to be able to tell which one is best for you based on what others' say about them. As a simple example of that, I have absolutely no doubt that Niko182 is telling the truth when he says his QT halos are quieter than his over-the-ear Bose ANR headset. But I promise I'm telling the truth too, when I say I've had exactly the opposite experience with QT halos vs. over-the ear ANR (and yes, I insert the QT plugs all the way into the ear canal). To be clear, I really enjoy wearing the QT halos when flight instructing in 172s, but they're just not viable for me in the higher noise environment of my M20F. I may eventually try some custom ear molds based on comments from others, but it's not a priority. Anyway... the good news is that most/all of the manufacturers have no-cost return policies. Rather than asking for opinions on the internet, suggest you pick two or three options, order one of each, fly with all of 'em, and send back all but your favorite.
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Panel adventure - what would you do?
Vance Harral replied to JamesMooney's topic in General Mooney Talk
Mechanically and electrically? Yes. Legally? No. There is no certified drawing that authorizes this, therefore no qualified avionics shop will do so. -
Panel adventure - what would you do?
Vance Harral replied to JamesMooney's topic in General Mooney Talk
As a huge fan of the Brittain autopilot installed in our airplane, but having spent 15 years working on and maintaining it, I just want to add a dose of reality for the OP to consider about starting with a Brittain wing leveler and crafting an autopilot solution. First, the Brittain factory is - and has been for some time - in "hibernation", much like Mooney has been in recent times. Jerry Walters, the principal owner/operator, passed away in December 2017, and the business subsequently lost both its brick-and-mortar shop, and its repair certificate. Brittain still returns calls, can sometimes help you with technical questions, etc. But they are not staffed or equipped to service or repair any existing parts, nor do they have any parts to sell. Sure, there are parts to be had on the used market, but these are all sold "as is". That's fine for mechanical parts like the servo jar/boots that can be worked on by any A&P with a modicum of street smarts (whether this is strictly legal is murky, but that's a separate question). Not so for complex parts such as the electronic head unit, or even the turn coordinator with integrated shuttle valve. At a certain point you run into dead ends. We're all rooting for Brittain to come out of hibernation, of course, and I don't rule out their doing so. But they've been laying low for almost 3 years now, and the longer that situation drags on, the less likely they are to return as an active concern. Second, lots of people are suggesting dual G5s for an integrated AI/DG/HSI solution. And a great solution that is. But you cannot legally connect a Brittain autopilot to a G5 for CDI left/right information, because the draft drawing from Jerry to do so has never been FAA approved. Therefore, legally flying an approach or even just tracking an enroute course with the Brittain requires a conventional CDI separate from the G5 DG/HSI, which has conventional left/right outputs. If the OP already has such a CDI attached to a radio they intend to keep, that may not be an issue. But you'd always have to use that #2 CDI for the autopilot, never the #1 G5 CDI/HSI . Finally, just make sure you have reasonable expectations of the system. The accuracy of Brittain's heading hold mechanism is difficult to tune to better than 5-10 degrees; its course tracking tolerates at least 1 "dot" of deviation and requires slight tweaking of the heading select; and altitude hold if you have it is only good to within +/- 200' in moderate turbulence (i.e. when you'd really like to have altitude hold in the first place). With all that said, do I still love the B5 in our airplane? Absolutely! Least expensive solution available by an order of magnitude, and most (not all) of the system can be maintained at your local shop by your local A&P. For Mooneys with a Brittain already installed, no reason not to keep using and trying to maintain it. And I'll keep rooting for Cecelia to find a new investor and bring the company back to active status. But I'm hesitant to encourage someone to embark on a quest to acquire and install an Accu-track or B5/B6/etc from scratch. I think it's likely to be a significant project, with a significant chance of simply running into a dead end until someone totals a Mooney with a working system. Whether that work and frustration is worth the many AMUs of savings vs. any other autopilot solution is up to the OP. But it's not the no-brainer it's sometimes made out to be here on Mooneyspace. Caveat emptor and all that. -
If your filter has a vertical orientation when installed, it's ten-thousand-percent easier!
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I keep hearing about this trick, and the claims there "won't be a drop left in the filter". But it just doesn't make any sense. Look at the picture of a Champion CH48110-1 filter that goes on a Lycoming IO-360, attached below. The filter spins on to the engine in a horizontal orientation, like the image on the right. There's about a half inch of distance between the filter case and the lowest hole in the filter. No matter how many holes you punch in the filter or how many days you wait for it to drain, there's still going to be several tablespoons of oil in the filter when you remove it. As you rotate the filter to unscrew it, that oil tends to ooze out the holes. Certainly if you rotate the filter very slowly, and/or if you're lucky enough to have a slight rearward cant in the mount, not much (or any) will spill out. But claims that you can completely drain the filter by simply waiting long enough are at odds with gravity.
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Everyone in this thread who tells you they can consistently change their oil without spilling a drop is a liar. We've been doing our own oil changes 2-3x year for the last 14 years. I have all the contraptions for dealing with the filter: the v-shaped piece of angle iron, the diagonally cut oil bottle, the rags, the bags, all of it. I've tried all the gimmicks, too: waiting two days after draining the oil to pull the filter, punching a hole in the filter, etc. And with dozens of oil change iterations under my belt I've finally reached the point where I only make a gargantuan mess pulling the filter every 2nd or 3rd time. It's just the way it is. Expect and plan for a mess. You won't feel disappointed or rushed when it happens, and you'll feel great on those occasions when it doesn't.
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Teach me about audio panels
Vance Harral replied to ragedracer1977's topic in Avionics/Panel Discussion
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'67 M20F Gear Horn Wiring Question
Vance Harral replied to SLOWR426's topic in Vintage Mooneys (pre-J models)
Most obvious thing is the (-) terminal of the "gear" connection on that terminal block appears to have nothing at all connected to it. That would be consistent with the gear horn not sounding. -
Teach me about audio panels
Vance Harral replied to ragedracer1977's topic in Avionics/Panel Discussion
It's likely Tahir's '66 M20E is wired similarly to my '76 M20F. If so, the attached schematic which depicts how we wired our gear warning system to an AV-17 voice annunciator may be of use. In our airplane, the factory-installed, "old school", simple sonalert for the gear warning has one terminal tied to ground. The other terminal is floating until both the "gear down" and "throttle low" logic switches close, at which point +12V is applied to the sonalert terminal, causing it to sound. We attached an additional wire to that sonalert terminal to drive the AV-17 voice annunciator trigger input. The AV-17 requires logic signals to be switched to ground to actuate warnings, so the additional complexity of an inverting circuit is required. In contrast, the PMA450B has an active-high audio alert trigger input on pin J2-17, so the inverter would not be necessary if that input is used. But as the attached schematic shows, we also added a voice trigger for the ram air warning light, which is also active high, and therefore required a second inverter. Unless the PMA450B inputs are programmable, it appears only one of the trigger inputs is active high. If you want a voice alert triggered by the stall warning, that sonalert is wired in such a way as to be active low. No inverter required to connect to an active-low input. In summary, and to repeat... the relationship of a old-school sonalert in a vintage Mooney to a voice annunicator such as the AV-17 or PMA450B, is just that the terminals of the sonalert provide a convenient location to connect to the trigger logic. Based on jcovington's responses above, it looks like newer Mooneys have additional hardware/integrated sonalert devices that have their own audio out line. But... and I'm guessing here... I think the only audio signal they output is a simple tone. If you want an actual "Bitchin' Betty" voice alert that speaks English words, you need a box that synthesizes that... such as an AV-17, or the PMA450B itself. system-p1.bmp -
Teach me about audio panels
Vance Harral replied to ragedracer1977's topic in Avionics/Panel Discussion
From the PMA450b installation manual at http://www.ps-engineering.com/docs/PMA450B_IM.pdf, page 2-9, section 2.6.2.1: "Message 1 will play as long as the trigger is active, but cease when the stimulus is removed, and is suitable to replace a Sonalert Piezoelectric buzzer." I'm sure whoever wrote that phrase didn't mean to imply the aural alert can replace a factory-installed Sonalert on a type certificated aircraft. But customers who are inexperienced with such details might interpret it that way. -
Teach me about audio panels
Vance Harral replied to ragedracer1977's topic in Avionics/Panel Discussion
So... I stand a bit corrected here, after reading the PMA-450 installation manual. Turns out the PMA-450 does have built-in audio messages, and if you have one you don't need a separate voice annunciator. But you still have to provide the trigger input to the PMA-450. Note that the PMA-450 installation manual discusses *replacing* a sonalert with an audio warning. -
Teach me about audio panels
Vance Harral replied to ragedracer1977's topic in Avionics/Panel Discussion
I'm not sure your question makes sense, though I could be wrong. First, gear up/down lights are not "alerts", they are "indicators". If you replaced your visual indicator lights with audio indicators, that would result in a continuous noise being made any time the gear is up, or down, which is essentially all the time. Certainly not what you want. Mooneys do already have "alerts" for gear warning, and in all E and F models with which I'm familiar, the alert is implemented by a Mallory Sonalert. It's likely your airplane already has a Sonalert installed for a gear warning, though it's possible it is broken and that's why you're not aware of it. The logic which triggers the Sonalert is a combination of gear position and throttle position: the alert sounds if the gear is up and the throttle is low. If you put your airplane on jacks, turn on the master, raise the gear, and pull the throttle lever all the way out, you should hear a tinny beeping noise - that would be the Sonalert. It's not that loud compared to ambient cabin noise, especially when wearing headsets, so it's possible yours is working and you've just never heard it. Whether you already have a Sonalert installed or not, understand that a Sonalert is just a piezo buzzer - an electrical device that makes an audible sound when a DC voltage is applied across its terminals. It does not generate an electrical audio signal and therefore cannot be wired to an audio panel. In fact, there is no "output" from a Sonalert other than air pressure waves that stimulate your eardrum. So if you want your audio panel to make voice announcements about gear warnings, stall warnings, etc, you'll need something like an Electronics International AV-17 Voice or Aircraft Components Voice Alert 2040. Those devices take a simple trigger input (typically a terminal being pulled from floating to ground), and produce an audio electrical signal as output, which can be wired to an unswitched input of an audio panel. One method of hooking up a voice annunciator's input trigger is to wire it to one of the terminals of an existing Sonalert, which may be why you heard of Sonalerts being involved in voice annunciator warnings. But you need more gizmos than just the Sonalert itself. -
Mooney Gear Tools on Ebay
Vance Harral replied to Skydancer2992's topic in Avionics / Parts Classifieds
I bought these, after some good-natured haggling with the seller. Plan to bead blast and re-paint, which is easy and inexpensive. Substantial discount vs. new from LASAR. Many thanks to SkyDancer2992 for the pointer. We've been borrowing our mechanic's for years, but with some recent changes to the maintenance shop around here, that's no longer an option. -
Need help diagnosing a starting problem
Vance Harral replied to Matt Ward's topic in Vintage Mooneys (pre-J models)
That was the main issue with our SoS box when it got weak: the points were worn and mis-shapen. They can be filed, or you can order replacement points. The other usual culprit is the condenser (capacitor) that is part of the oscillatory circuit that causes the back-and-forth action of the vibrator. The electrolyte in large capacitors ages, leaks through seals, etc. The result is a capacitor whose actual capacitance is different than the design value, which affects the circuit. Matt, I'm glad to hear a new SoS box seems to have resolved your issues! Recommend that at your leisure, you procure a new condenser and new set of points, and install them in the old box. This should not be expensive, and then you'll have a spare to keep on the shelf. -
Even if you found the paint code, new paint would not match, due to fade/wear of the paint currently on the airplane. Instead, suggest you remove an inspection panel, take it to an automotive paint shop, and ask them to color match it. The machines they use for this provide excellent results - certainly a better match than you'll get with just a paint code or color name. Though you should call first to confirm, just about any automotive paint shop can make you up a small quantity of rattle cans, touch-up bottles, etc. It will be kind of expensive in small quantities vs. house paint, but still cheap in aviation monetary units.