NickM20F Posted August 11 Report Posted August 11 I have an M20F with a 201 style cowling and 201 style windshield. Nice new panel, but I'm not a fan of the glare shield. It's one of those button on ones, and I'd like to put in one of those single piece glare shields, like the 201 ashby (https://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/mooney201.php) and get some lighting under there. Does anyone know if one of these would fit over the panel? I figured if I had the 201 windshield that maybe it would. And if not, any other glare shield options that may fit? I know the one I have is in good condition, I'm just not a big fan.
Shadrach Posted August 11 Report Posted August 11 Is yours properly snapped in place? Mine does not droop like that. I bet that the new panel position is not supporting the pilot side of the glare shield which is wider and protrudes further into the cabin than the passenger side. That would likely be easy to remedy with a few strategically place stiffeners.
NickM20F Posted August 11 Author Report Posted August 11 @Shadrach When it's snapped in, its pretty stiff, but bends right down how it looks in that picture. When it's not snapped in it kinda folds down there loosely. I think the plastic part or whatever material it is under the leather is just bent down. I can try some stiffners. I want to bend it but I'm worried about snapping it.
Matthew P Posted August 11 Report Posted August 11 You could always make a template and have what you want made, just remember that you need to leave room for the defrost from heating, if you look at your current glareshield, there is about a 1/2 gap to allow airflow.
Shadrach Posted August 11 Report Posted August 11 14 minutes ago, NickM20F said: @Shadrach When it's snapped in, its pretty stiff, but bends right down how it looks in that picture. When it's not snapped in it kinda folds down there loosely. I think the plastic part or whatever material it is under the leather is just bent down. I can try some stiffners. I want to bend it but I'm worried about snapping it. Mine is 58 yeas old and still very flexible. The vintage planes were delivered with an upright panel on the pilot's side that helped support the shield.
Shadrach Posted August 11 Report Posted August 11 4 minutes ago, Matthew P said: You could always make a template and have what you want made, just remember that you need to leave room for the defrost from heating, if you look at your current glareshield, there is about a 1/2 gap to allow airflow. I've always wondered how well the defrost works on these conversions given that the base of the windshield is relocated forward of the defrost vent.
Matthew P Posted August 11 Report Posted August 11 20 minutes ago, Shadrach said: I've always wondered how well the defrost works on these conversions given that the base of the windshield is relocated forward of the defrost vent. That's right, forgot about that..., gotta slot it then.
N201MKTurbo Posted August 11 Report Posted August 11 35 minutes ago, Shadrach said: I've always wondered how well the defrost works on these conversions given that the base of the windshield is relocated forward of the defrost vent. The defroster barely works when everything is perfect. 1
Shadrach Posted August 11 Report Posted August 11 11 minutes ago, N201MKTurbo said: The defroster barely works when everything is perfect. Agree they are not great, but mine works well enough to clear rime ice from the base of the stock windshield. I have taken great care to ensure that the ducts are open, well sealed and that any bends in the duct have a gentle radius. I think mine works reasonably because of the temperature of the output air rather than the volume of flow which leaves a lot to be desired.
DCarlton Posted August 11 Report Posted August 11 1 hour ago, Shadrach said: Mine is 58 yeas old and still very flexible. The vintage planes were delivered with an upright panel on the pilot's side that helped support the shield. Mines not bad. Got a crack in the top and the ends don't lay well against the panel but it's OK. 1
N201MKTurbo Posted August 11 Report Posted August 11 34 minutes ago, Shadrach said: Agree they are not great, but mine works well enough to clear rime ice from the base of the stock windshield. I have taken great care to ensure that the ducts are open, well sealed and that any bends in the duct have a gentle radius. I think mine works reasonably because of the temperature of the output air rather than the volume of flow which leaves a lot to be desired. Back in the day, I have landed looking out the 1 inch high stripe of ice the defroster will melt.
Shadrach Posted August 11 Report Posted August 11 5 minutes ago, N201MKTurbo said: Back in the day, I have landed looking out the 1 inch high stripe of ice the defroster will melt. Yes, we have that shared experience. My point was, I don't think the defrost positioned for the stock M20F windshield will do that to a M20J windshield.
Shadrach Posted August 11 Report Posted August 11 21 minutes ago, DCarlton said: Mines not bad. Got a crack in the top and the ends don't lay well against the panel but it's OK. Man, that's a funny looking J-bar...
N201MKTurbo Posted August 11 Report Posted August 11 1 hour ago, Shadrach said: Yes, we have that shared experience. My point was, I don't think the defrost positioned for the stock M20F windshield will do that to a M20J windshield. Probably not.
NickM20F Posted August 11 Author Report Posted August 11 Sounds like my best bet then is to just get this one bent into shape, if I add a different one I'd have to cut it all up to keep sufficient airflow
Shadrach Posted August 11 Report Posted August 11 2 minutes ago, NickM20F said: Sounds like my best bet then is to just get this one bent into shape, if I add a different one I'd have to cut it all up to keep sufficient airflow I think keeping it is your best bet. As to airflow, the defrost in your plane is positioned where the base of the stock windshield location. The base of the 201 windshield you have installed is a bit further ahead. I would be interested in a PIREP on how well it clears your windshield. That will probably be tough to get as I think I have used my defrost less than 10 times in 25 years of Mooney flying.
NickM20F Posted August 11 Author Report Posted August 11 2 hours ago, Shadrach said: I think keeping it is your best bet. As to airflow, the defrost in your plane is positioned where the base of the stock windshield location. The base of the 201 windshield you have installed is a bit further ahead. I would be interested in a PIREP on how well it clears your windshield. That will probably be tough to get as I think I have used my defrost less than 10 times in 25 years of Mooney flying. I'll give it a shot! Who knows maybe I can just bend it up by hand. I'll drop a pic here if i'm successful. Yeah I'm down in Texas, and a new pilot so I'll be staying away from icing conditions for a while... Don't hold your breath for that PIREP 1
Paul Thomas Posted August 11 Report Posted August 11 I saw on Facebook where someone remade one for $70. I think they posted this morning. Vintage Mooney group maybe? He wrote how he did it and posted photos.
Aaviationist Posted August 11 Report Posted August 11 (edited) 42 minutes ago, Paul Thomas said: I saw on Facebook where someone remade one for $70. I think they posted this morning. Vintage Mooney group maybe? He wrote how he did it and posted photos. Another thing you can’t do, I don’t know how you do all the burn certification for 70$ Edited August 11 by Aaviationist
00-Negative Posted August 11 Report Posted August 11 59 minutes ago, Paul Thomas said: I saw on Facebook where someone remade one for $70. I think they posted this morning. Vintage Mooney group maybe? He wrote how he did it and posted photos. I saw that post briefly and marked it for future reference. He did a good job. His post is gone only a few hours later. I can only think the hall monitors got him with "burn certs, field approvals, IA approvals, logbook entries, PMA parts , owner produced parts, etc. Because ya know.... All the NTSB reports we read always mention the upholstery and whether it was a contributing factor. -David 2
Shadrach Posted August 11 Report Posted August 11 16 minutes ago, Aaviationist said: Another thing you can’t do, I don’t know how you do all the burn certification for 70$ I don't believe it is required for CAR3 certified aircraft...If you were inclined to do so, the testing can be done for about $100. So not $70, but not a lot either. 1
Aaviationist Posted August 11 Report Posted August 11 8 minutes ago, Shadrach said: I don't believe it is required for CAR3 certified aircraft...If you were inclined to do so, the testing can be done for about $100. So not $70, but not a lot either.
NickM20F Posted August 11 Author Report Posted August 11 Quick update. I’m glad you guys scared me into putting in some more effort. Only took about an hour and a half of holding it in a new bent shape to get it where I want. No burn cert woes for me. That was much easier than expected, I was too chicken about snapping that plastic in there the first go around 1
MikeOH Posted August 11 Report Posted August 11 1 hour ago, Shadrach said: I don't believe it is required for CAR3 certified aircraft...If you were inclined to do so, the testing can be done for about $100. So not $70, but not a lot either. Correct, if the cabin is placarded for NO SMOKING. Here is the cite from CAR 3: 1 1
Andy95W Posted August 12 Report Posted August 12 (edited) And more CAR-3 requirements, taken from AC 43-13-1B para. 9-61 (a) (1). Any material that meets any nationally recognized flash or flame resistance is acceptable. This would include many of the over-the-counter spray on treatments since many have an ASTM certification. So despite what @Aaviationist said, we do not need to meet the Part 23 flammability testing requirements. Edited August 12 by Andy95W 2
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