Seth Posted May 18, 2012 Report Share Posted May 18, 2012 As the news tells us and as many of us know, there is a TFR over Camp David today that is larger than the usual Camp David TFR. A 10 mile ring of no fly zone and a 30 mile ring restricted airspace. The fun part - I'm flying up to my little brother's college graduation this afternoon. I am based at KGAI, within the DC SFRA, and VERY close to the 30 mile reach of the TFR. In fact, my usual route takes me through the TFR - KGAI - EMI - KXLL. I plan to read the TFR carefully, and due to this situation, not chance a mistake on my part and file IFR. I'm pretty sure I can navigate around the TFR just fine, but by filing IFR, ATC should keep me clear. However, just for clarification, for those that are familiar, if I were to file my usual route that will cut into the 30 mile ring but keep me well clear of the 10 mile right, since I'd be on an IFR flight plan and in two way communcation the entire time, then should I be able to fly within the 30 mile ring, just not the 10 mile ring, or are they going to keep me clear entirely and probably just take me over BAL (Baltimore)? If I follow ATC command and they fly me into the TFR, with of course me pointing this out and stating, bluntly on the tapes, that "To be clear, you want me to fly into the G-8 TFR" and if they say yes, do you still get in troube for doing so? I realize many of us on MooneySpace are not familiar with the DC/BAL/Philly terrain, but for those that do know, thank you for responding. -Seth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruiser Posted May 18, 2012 Report Share Posted May 18, 2012 The TFR states only landing and departing traffic will be allowed within the 30 mile ring. All must be on either an VFR or IFR flight plan. Enroute traffic will be allowed through the TFR on a flight by flight basis provided ATC is not too busy. My interpretation is you can file your flight plan and hope for the best but you should be prepared to be vectored away from the TFR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruiser Posted May 18, 2012 Report Share Posted May 18, 2012 I am in FDK now and it is noticeably quiet. No planes flying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Pleisse Posted May 18, 2012 Report Share Posted May 18, 2012 Quote: Cruiser I am in FDK now and it is noticeably quiet. No planes flying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruiser Posted May 18, 2012 Report Share Posted May 18, 2012 Quote: N4352H Jim... I grabbed your ass yesterday. My mechanic and I were arguing over how much play ther should be on the rudder rods ends, so I said there are always a few other Mooenys on the ramp. Let's compare with another one. We drove over (transient ramp, last row, nw side facing due west). The first plane we checked was yours. Seth.. I talked to FSS yesterday. If you are on an IFR, they'll route you or vector you. The briefer also mentioned to keep calling because our fearless leader often extends his stay unannounced. It could go well past Sunday a-m. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Pleisse Posted May 18, 2012 Report Share Posted May 18, 2012 Quote: Cruiser Jim... I grabbed your ass yesterday. My mechanic and I were arguing over how much play ther should be on the rudder rods ends, so I said there are always a few other Mooenys on the ramp. Let's compare with another one. We drove over (transient ramp, last row, nw side facing due west). The first plane we checked was yours. Seth.. I talked to FSS yesterday. If you are on an IFR, they'll route you or vector you. The briefer also mentioned to keep calling because our fearless leader often extends his stay unannounced. It could go well past Sunday a-m. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seth Posted May 18, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 18, 2012 Thank you John and Jim! I'm headed out for the flight - if you see some F-16s around 5:00, it may be me! I'll also call in and check sunday, and may just IFR it back as well. Take care, -Seth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hank Posted May 18, 2012 Report Share Posted May 18, 2012 Quote: N4352H Well? Do I need to replace anything? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aviatoreb Posted May 18, 2012 Report Share Posted May 18, 2012 Quote: Seth As the news tells us and as many of us know, there is a TFR over Camp David today that is larger than the usual Camp David TFR. A 10 mile ring of no fly zone and a 30 mile ring restricted airspace. The fun part - I'm flying up to my little brother's college graduation this afternoon. I am based at KGAI, within the DC SFRA, and VERY close to the 30 mile reach of the TFR. In fact, my usual route takes me through the TFR - KGAI - EMI - KXLL. I plan to read the TFR carefully, and due to this situation, not chance a mistake on my part and file IFR. I'm pretty sure I can navigate around the TFR just fine, but by filing IFR, ATC should keep me clear. However, just for clarification, for those that are familiar, if I were to file my usual route that will cut into the 30 mile ring but keep me well clear of the 10 mile right, since I'd be on an IFR flight plan and in two way communcation the entire time, then should I be able to fly within the 30 mile ring, just not the 10 mile ring, or are they going to keep me clear entirely and probably just take me over BAL (Baltimore)? If I follow ATC command and they fly me into the TFR, with of course me pointing this out and stating, bluntly on the tapes, that "To be clear, you want me to fly into the G-8 TFR" and if they say yes, do you still get in troube for doing so? I realize many of us on MooneySpace are not familiar with the DC/BAL/Philly terrain, but for those that do know, thank you for responding. -Seth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piloto Posted May 18, 2012 Report Share Posted May 18, 2012 Quote: Hank Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seth Posted May 19, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 19, 2012 I got to Allentown, PA, ABE, just fine. The TFR did not start until 5:30, but they didn't want me to fly from GAI to EMI, the usual departure routing. Once they had me idetified after departure, instead of a heading of 35 which takes me to EMI, they had me fly 060 for a few miles, into the BWI Bravo, and then turned me north, and then had me continue my own navigation toward Lancaster VOR (LRP). The only negative is by brining me closer to BWI, I was lowered from 7000 to 5000, and got the heat bumps, thus, my passengers were not as comfortable. Total flight was maybe 45 minutes airtime. I too usually file IFR for longer cross countries, but short hops, I'll usually file VFR, like this one, and often, with flight following, but I admit, not always. I'll call in for the return flight and we'll see if the TFR is extended tomorrow afternoon/evening. Thanks again, -Seth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrBill Posted May 20, 2012 Report Share Posted May 20, 2012 I flew in that area yesterday. My direct line to Scranton took me right over P40 so I filed and IFR plan wiith ASUTE intersection as a waypoint. This kept me just outside the 30mi righ however, I did hear ATC talking to only a very FEW pilots inside the ring with the comment "as long as you're on an IFR plan and talking to me, I'll keep you OK". I'm coming back next Saturday so we'll see what awaits me then.. I ve been over (or real close to it) P40 when "cold" and ATC just adjusted my heading by 5-10 degrees for a few mins. BILL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seth Posted May 21, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 21, 2012 Bill - I have been routed over P-40 in the passed and stated "Just to be clear, you want me to overfly Camp David" with the response being "affirmative, Mooney 1165N, fly heading 080" or something like that. It was actually my old plane, 9567M, and due to storms and other traffic I was vectored and did overfly Camp David in IMC. As for this past weekend, it was an easy trip up, and an even better trip back. On the trip back, last night, my sister was on board, and we overflew my younger brother's college campus after his graduation. We climbed through a cloud layer at 5,000, and broke out on top around 6,000 feet, to a setting sun. My sister got to experience emerging from a cloud layer and really got a feel for how intoxicating a smooth flight with clouds and a setting sun can be - I may have gotten her hooked on flying. Thanks again for the advice for dealing with the TFR. It was a great weekend and great graduation. Take care, -Seth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARZ Posted May 21, 2012 Report Share Posted May 21, 2012 A couple somebodies weren' t that lucky..... CAMP DAVID, Md. - Military aircraft have intercepted two small planes in restricted airspace around Camp David, where leaders of the world's economic powers are gathering for a summit. The North American Aerospace Defence Command says the two Cessna 172 aircraft were out of radio communication on Friday evening inside a 30-mile (48-kilometre) restricted area around the presidential retreat. The restricted area was expanded temporarily for the Group of Eight talks. U.S. Secret Service spokesman Max Milien says the violations were not deemed to be threatening. NORAD says an F-15 fighter jet intercepted the first plane just after 7 p.m. and the plane landed at York Airport in Thomasville, Pennsylvania. An F-15 and a Black Hawk helicopter intercepted the second plane about 15 minutes later and it landed on a grass runway in Pennsylvania. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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