Fess up, you Deltahawk followers

[EricJ]

Apparently it's been around a long time but this is the first I've heard of it.    There must be some barrier, maybe cost, that has kept it from becoming popular.

 

[Will.iam]

5 hours ago, EricJ said:

Apparently it's been around a long time but this is the first I've heard of it.    There must be some barrier, maybe cost, that has kept it from becoming popular.

 

Yea i noticed the price was the one thing missing. Probably one of those if you have to ask you can’t afford it.

[William Munney]

On 8/2/2024 at 10:22 PM, 1980Mooney said:

Cheaper Lycoming? Compare new Lycoming vs new DeltaHawk. IO-360 is $99,000 from AirPower but none are in stock. I bet you that the new shipment when it arrives is over $100k. 

https://www.airpowerinc.com/enpl-rt9304

That’s why DeltaHawk is pursuing OEM airframe  manufacturers. And that is why Mooney is “dead” to them. 

Minus 30k for the core charge…..which you would lose if you switched engine types.  I guess you could maybe sell the old motor.

[1980Mooney]

8 minutes ago, William Munney said:

Minus 30k for the core charge…..which you would lose if you switched engine types.  I guess you could maybe sell the old motor.

That is after getting about $30K for your old engine.  If you have no core then the cost of a new Lycoming IO-360 is $129,000 - But none are in stock so you will likely pay more when/if you can find one.  That is why the DeltaHawk is looking competitive for OEM new sales in currently manufactured airframes.  Hence no interest in Mooney applications.

When considering it as an engine swap on a legacy aircraft, it is competing with Overhauled and Rebuilt engines at much, much lower cost.  The economics don't work.  And don't forget all the extra cost for new engine mount frame, new cowling, new prop, some changes to engine instrumentation/recalibration and then you need some kind of heater modification.  Costs which you would not have with an overhauled Lycoming (maybe some over haul cost for prop and repaint for engine mount frame but no cost related to the cowl or instrumentation or heater).  I bet those things easily add another $30,000 on top of the engine - probably more.  Hence no interest in Mooney applications.

[William Munney]

Yep.  Hard pass on Deltahawk.

Edited August 7, 2024 by William Munney

[philiplane]

New engine prices were high but not unreasonable four years ago. 

However, Continental and Lycoming engine prices have increased 50-75 percent in a very short time. There's no way this can continue, and still have a viable customer base for these legacy engines.

[Will.iam]

4 hours ago, philiplane said:

New engine prices were high but not unreasonable four years ago. 

However, Continental and Lycoming engine prices have increased 50-75 percent in a very short time. There's no way this can continue, and still have a viable customer base for these legacy engines.

Well it has always been supply and demand. If people stop buying at these higher prices I. E. Go the overhaul route then the price will come down.