2 more vague questions

[eman1200]

2 blade McCauley B2D34C-214B

IO-360-A3B6D

thoughts?  basic info, concerns, pros/cons etc are all welcome.  I know very little about either, but less about the prop.  thanks!

 

EDIT: I guess technically that is ONE question about 2 topics, but hey, what can ya do?

[jetdriven]

It's a standard 201 engine and prop.  Nothing really unusual, to speak of. The dual mag has had its issues but it's just a reliable as two with proper discipline and the only prop better than the 214 is the Hartzell top prop but is it e pensive and heavier.  

[carusoam]

Does the engine have evidence of flying continuously or evidence or sitting a long time...

Best regards,

-a-

[1524J]

Had both for 6 1/2 years without any issues other than routine maintenance. 

[eman1200]

Does the engine have evidence of flying continuously or evidence or sitting a long time...

Best regards,

-a-

Don't know, haven't seen it yet. Plane was getting a new interior and is now for sale. Will be talking to the guy later today and will make plans to go take a look.

[eman1200]

It's a standard 201 engine and prop.  Nothing really unusual, to speak of. The dual mag has had its issues but it's just a reliable as two with proper discipline and the only prop better than the 214 is the Hartzell top prop but is it e pensive and heavier.  

Excellent info, thanks!

[eman1200]

Had both for 6 1/2 years without any issues other than routine maintenance. 

Thanks!

[mooniac15u]

I thought you were pulling inspection panels on M20G's and asking about PC systems. Have you changed your search to include M20J's?

[eman1200]

Just now, mooniac15u said:

I thought you were pulling inspection panels on M20G's and asking about PC systems. Have you changed your search to include M20J's?

I haven't "changed" my search.  But since you asked:

1) If I can find an older C/E/F/G within my limited price range and in good condition, I would consider sole ownership.  Since that isn't very likely, my other option is:

2) Find at least one other partner with a similar budget and pool our resources for something nicer, ie a J.

I DID go look at the G and I AM asking a lot of high level questions that may or may not be specific to one model.  This is how one learns, gathers info, gets more familiar, etc....  I looked at the G knowing full well I probably wouldn't be purchasing it, but it was a LOCAL plane up for sale and I was upfront with the owner, saying I really just want to take a quick look.  And I did, and it was a good experience.

Now a local J is up for sale, one that I was aware would soon be up for sale after they redid the interior.  I am also aware of a few other people POSSIBLY considering this plane in a partnership, hence the 'new' questions about this model.

Lastly, I would go look at just about ANY local plane for sale, simply to gain the experience of looking at planes, talking to owners, looking at log books etc...  Why limit myself to only the very specific plane I am looking for that may or (most likely) may not be local?  Knowledge is power.  Well, that and my good looks. 

Hope this answers why I ask some different and high level questions, and what my goals/intentions are.

[mooniac15u]

Fair enough. And I'm sure your good looks will serve you well.

[jrwilson]

9 hours ago, eman1200 said:

I haven't "changed" my search.  But since you asked:

1) If I can find an older C/E/F/G within my limited price range and in good condition, I would consider sole ownership.  Since that isn't very likely, my other option is:

2) Find at least one other partner with a similar budget and pool our resources for something nicer, ie a J.

I DID go look at the G and I AM asking a lot of high level questions that may or may not be specific to one model.  This is how one learns, gathers info, gets more familiar, etc....  I looked at the G knowing full well I probably wouldn't be purchasing it, but it was a LOCAL plane up for sale and I was upfront with the owner, saying I really just want to take a quick look.  And I did, and it was a good experience.

Now a local J is up for sale, one that I was aware would soon be up for sale after they redid the interior.  I am also aware of a few other people POSSIBLY considering this plane in a partnership, hence the 'new' questions about this model.

Lastly, I would go look at just about ANY local plane for sale, simply to gain the experience of looking at planes, talking to owners, looking at log books etc...  Why limit myself to only the very specific plane I am looking for that may or (most likely) may not be local?  Knowledge is power.  Well, that and my good looks. 

Hope this answers why I ask some different and high level questions, and what my goals/intentions are.

So just from the perspective of someone who recently sold a plane....tire kickers who take your time with no real interest in buying your plane are really annoying. 

Yes it can be beneficial for you, but try to consider other people's time as well..

[eman1200]

Just now, jrwilson said:

So just from the perspective of someone who recently sold a plane....tire kickers who take your time with no real interest in buying your plane are really annoying. 

Yes it can be beneficial for you, but try to consider other people's time as well..

I thought I was pretty clear about telling the guy my intentions, and stated that in my post.  I also think there's a difference between a 'tire kicker', ie one who leads people on to believe they are potential buyers when they are not, and someone who is, like I clearly mentioned in my post, wanting to take a quick look to see if there is any further interest........." I was upfront with the owner, saying I really just want to take a quick look I was upfront with the owner, saying I really just want to take a quick look". 

I also think I'll stop posting in mooneyspace so I can avoid getting beat up for no reason when just asking legitimate questions that not only I could benefit from but maybe other people who might be wondering the same thing either now or down the road.

[gsxrpilot]

10 minutes ago, jrwilson said:

So just from the perspective of someone who recently sold a plane....tire kickers who take your time with no real interest in buying your plane are really annoying. 

Yes it can be beneficial for you, but try to consider other people's time as well..

I'll disagree... I'll talk Mooney's (or even flying in general) with anyone, anywhere, anytime. I took a call from someone who had questions but wasn't interested in my plane because it was way overpriced. I knew he wouldn't buy the plane, but I was just happy to talk about it anyway. I felt no pressure to sell it and he was under no pressure to buy...

Fast forward two weeks, and this same gentleman now owns 6XM...

As a buyer... I looked at four different aircraft. I traveled across the country, arranged times to meet and spent considerable time looking, talking, and learning about the airplanes. I knew I would only buy ONE, but I knew I would eventually buy one.  

Fast forward a couple of months and I'm now the proud owner of 252AD.

[mooniac15u]

1 hour ago, eman1200 said:

 I also think I'll stop posting in mooneyspace so I can avoid getting beat up for no reason when just asking legitimate questions that not only I could benefit from but maybe other people who might be wondering the same thing either now or down the road.

I've been following most of your threads and I don't recall seeing anyone beating you up for asking questions. I saw several people trying to look out for you when they thought you might be skipping a PPI. I inquired on this thread because I was paying close enough attention to know you were opening panels on a G and then suddenly you were asking questions about J engines and props. I've been reading your posts for over a year and I was curious what direction your search was headed. 

Nobody is going to try to keep you here but this is the Internet and people are going to comment on your posts. 

[jrwilson]

11 hours ago, eman1200 said:

 

 

Lastly, I would go look at just about ANY local plane for sale, simply to gain the experience of looking at planes, talking to owners, looking at log books etc...  Why limit myself to only the very specific plane I am looking for that may or (most likely) may not be local?  Knowledge is power.  Well, that and my good looks. 

 

Just giving my experience....pulling out logs, taking time out of my day to show the plane to someone with no interest?  Waste...  Maybe if you're upfront with them that's fine, but I personally wouldn't want to do it...

 

and if you want to leave Mooneyspace because you feel "beat up" then you might want to toughen up a bit for the next forum you join.

good luck

[jrwilson]

2 hours ago, gsxrpilot said:

 

As a buyer... I looked at four different aircraft. I traveled across the country, arranged times to meet and spent considerable time looking, talking, and learning about the airplanes. I knew I would only buy ONE, but I knew I would eventually buy one.  

Fast forward a couple of months and I'm now the proud owner of 252AD.

When I was buying I did pretty much the same...but I only did it on planes that fit my criteria....not C's and Es and Gs and Ks.  I knew I wanted a k so I looked at Ks.  It's great to talk planes with someone who stops by the hangar to chat, but im just saying, he could be wasting people's time and to consider their perspectives as a seller, rather than his own motives as a buyer who just wants more general knowledge.

[gsxrpilot]

Just now, jrwilson said:

When I was buying I did pretty much the same...but I only did it on planes that fit my criteria....not C's and Es and Gs and Ks.  I knew I wanted a k so I looked at Ks.  It's great to talk planes with someone who stops by the hangar to chat, but im just saying, he could be wasting people's time and to consider their perspectives as a seller, rather than his own motives as a buyer who just wants more general knowledge.

The first plane I went and looked at was a Velocity. I was serious about it, but the owner actually inadvertently talked me out of it. And out of home-builts altogether. So then I decided it was a 252 or nothing. Until some on this forum tried talking me out of a turbo, and got me looking at an Eagle. Eventually I was back to the 252 and quickly settled on a good one and bought it.

[dcastor]

I've had an M20J with the A3B6D engine for a little over 3 years.  So far I've had no significant problems.  I did have the dual magnetos fail on me, which required overhaul.  Since an overhaul involves both magnetos and I think overhaul shops that deal with the dual magnetos is on the decline it has made the cost of overhaul increase.  The other drawback is that the IO-360 is not recommended for MOGAS by Lycoming so while I don't know if an STC exists or is possible for Mooney's equipped with an O-360, it's certainly not going to happen with the  IO-360.  Other than these two minor issues, it's been a great engine.

[goterminal120]

There is no stc for mogas in a Mooney. While testing the airframe they found it vapor locked with mogas. There was no interest to find a solution and they moved on.

[N201MKTurbo]

FWIW,

Without a long story, I once flew my M20F with mogas about 5 min to the next airport to get some real AVGAS. It worked fine.

[blaine beaven]

It's a standard 201 engine and prop.  Nothing really unusual, to speak of. The dual mag has had its issues but it's just a reliable as two with proper discipline and the only prop better than the 214 is the Hartzell top prop but is it e pensive and heavier.  

What's the difference between a 214 and a 314? My 201 has a 314, so maybe when overhaul comes up in 3 years I could consider a 214 if it is a better option. Thanks!

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[Guest]

3 hours ago, blaine beaven said:

What's the difference between a 214 and a 314? My 201 has a 314, so maybe when overhaul comes up in 3 years I could consider a 214 if it is a better option. Thanks!

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I just looked your plane up on the Transport Canada web site, it says you have a C214 prop.

Clarence

[blaine beaven]

3 hours ago, blaine beaven said: What's the difference between a 214 and a 314? My 201 has a 314, so maybe when overhaul comes up in 3 years I could consider a 214 if it is a better option. Thanks!

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I just looked your plane up on the Transport Canada web site, it says you have a C214 prop.

Clarence

You're right - I read it wrong when I checked. Good thing to know I have the best prop.

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[Doggtyred]

On 8/9/2016 at 10:10 PM, gsxrpilot said:

The first plane I went and looked at was a Velocity. I was serious about it, but the owner actually inadvertently talked me out of it. And out of home-builts altogether. So then I decided it was a 252 or nothing. Until some on this forum tried talking me out of a turbo, and got me looking at an Eagle. Eventually I was back to the 252 and quickly settled on a good one and bought it.

Can I ask what transpired that soured you on the Velocity airframe and the Ex-AB class as a whole? 

[gsxrpilot]

8 hours ago, Doggtyred said:

Can I ask what transpired that soured you on the Velocity airframe and the Ex-AB class as a whole? 

We often fly through rough air here in Texas, and the owner was explaining how it can make you a little nervous to see the Canard out front bouncing up and down in turbulent air. He suggested that the tail on my aircraft likely did the same thing, but you just couldn't see it and therefore nobody worries about it.  I thought back to all the rough air I've flown through and often at gross weight since we use the Mooney for traveling. I enjoy the confidence that over 50 years and thousands of examples flying, the Mooney is one of the strongest airframes ever built. Later on another turbulent flight, I turned around to look at the tail on my Mooney, and it's not moving at all.

I got to thinking that not only are there comparatively few examples of the Velocity out there flying, each one has been manufactured by a different person using unknown standards and methods. And with enough to worry about while flying a piston single, IFR, often at night, over desolate terrain, worrying about the airframe coming apart in heavy turbulence, was just one thing too many.

I'm not a builder, I'm a flyer. I'm also not in a position to tinker on and be fully immersed in the construction of my airplane. So it's better for me to leave most of those issues to the manufacturer and a really good A&P/AI.