RLCarter Posted August 7, 2016 Report Posted August 7, 2016 A friend of mine recently upgrade the panel in his 182 and asked if I was interested in the JPI EDM700 & Shadin Microflo-L units that were removed. All was working just fine when removed and comes with what looks like everything (probes, transducers, manuals, hardware and misc other items). He said he thinks they can be sent back in to the manufacture and have the software updated so they will work with the 4 cyl Lycoming vs the 6 cyl Continental they came off of. My questions are: (1) Can they be re-programmed for a 4 cyl and does anyone have a guess at what it would cost? (2) Any idea what they would be worth on the used market (he hasn't said what he wants for them)? (3) Is it even worth the trouble to install them if they can be converted for a 4 cyl in an old bird with a shotgun panel & no GPS? Quote
donkaye Posted August 7, 2016 Report Posted August 7, 2016 1 hour ago, RLCarter said: A friend of mine recently upgrade the panel in his 182 and asked if I was interested in the JPI EDM700 & Shadin Microflo-L units that were removed. All was working just fine when removed and comes with what looks like everything (probes, transducers, manuals, hardware and misc other items). He said he thinks they can be sent back in to the manufacture and have the software updated so they will work with the 4 cyl Lycoming vs the 6 cyl Continental they came off of. My questions are: (1) Can they be re-programmed for a 4 cyl and does anyone have a guess at what it would cost? (2) Any idea what they would be worth on the used market (he hasn't said what he wants for them)? (3) Is it even worth the trouble to install them if they can be converted for a 4 cyl in an old bird with a shotgun panel & no GPS? I liked the Miniflo-L so much that I kept it when I did my upgrade. It will work on any engine with the proper transducer. They are so inexpensive that you might be better off buying one new. After a while, the gas discharge tube wears out and you have to send it in for replacement, killing any discount you may have received on purchase of the used one. Quote
Aerodon Posted August 7, 2016 Report Posted August 7, 2016 5 hours ago, RLCarter said: A friend of mine recently upgrade the panel in his 182 and asked if I was interested in the JPI EDM700 & Shadin Microflo-L units that were removed. All was working just fine when removed and comes with what looks like everything (probes, transducers, manuals, hardware and misc other items). He said he thinks they can be sent back in to the manufacture and have the software updated so they will work with the 4 cyl Lycoming vs the 6 cyl Continental they came off of. My questions are: (1) Can they be re-programmed for a 4 cyl and does anyone have a guess at what it would cost? (2) Any idea what they would be worth on the used market (he hasn't said what he wants for them)? (3) Is it even worth the trouble to install them if they can be converted for a 4 cyl in an old bird with a shotgun panel & no GPS? RL, No need to reprogram the EDM700 - it should just see '4 cylinders' and work accordingly. If it doesn't, just read the manual and do a 'restore defaults' and reprogram. Yes I would install the EDM700, it still provides most information and you will have an upgrade path to EDM830, 900 etc. if you do a good job with the installation. If the harness was removed correctly, you should be able to reinstall. Remember you will have to remove 2 pairs of wires going from a 6 to a 4 cylinder. Plan you installation carefully, you don't want to be short. Cylinder #1 is back left on a Continental, whereas #1 on a Lycoming is front right., check the wire numbering and lengths carefully. JPI publish all the installation manuals, STC's and permission letters on their website. The Shadin works well, but I think the display and transducer are matched, and its not easy to reprogram the K-factor. You get different size transducers for the injected and carbureted engines, so you may have a problem? You may have to pay for an STC transfer from Shadin? Overall, this is not so attractive to you. Your panel space may be tight, do you have good locations for both instruments? Overall it might be a good idea to get the EDM700 upgraded to include fuel flow, takes up less space and you can save fuel flow along with all the other engine data. Send me an email to supercub180@gmail.com, and I'll give my opinion on value. Regards, Don H Quote
kortopates Posted August 8, 2016 Report Posted August 8, 2016 Aerodon's advice on adding FF to the JPI is spot on but also make sure the unit has downloadable memory, preferably via USB, or its value will be severely limited. But it should still be upgradable or at least useable as a core for the 830 display which was ~$1200 the last time I noticed. Most installers do not shorten the harness, just bundle it up, so I would expect you'll be okay as long as it's in good shape. Or just buy a new harness, they are not expensive. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote
Guest Posted August 8, 2016 Report Posted August 8, 2016 We just did the same thing, installed a system from a Cessna 310 into. PA30. Luckily you will have a choice of wires to use, we had to re pin a number of wires, remember that your friends Continental engine is numbered in reverse to your Lycoming. Clarence Quote
RLCarter Posted August 11, 2016 Author Report Posted August 11, 2016 Spoke with JPI, said it was not an issue just has to be re-pinned due to Conti and Lycoming cylinder numbers are opposite. Once it is installed there is a way to re-set to factory defaults then as it boots up it will recognize only the 4 cylinders that are connected. My IA buddy wanted me to start the installation today, but might have to jockey a couple things (intercom in one spare spot and Alt. field switch, and v light in the other). As far as the price goes, $200.00 for both is what said he'd sell it to me for (seems fair to me) 1 Quote
Aerodon Posted August 12, 2016 Report Posted August 12, 2016 Rob, You are being lead astray. First, you need to remove #5 and #6 wires, as they are no longer needed. Then cylinders #1 on Lycoming and Continental may be diametrically opposed - but they are still #1 and you don't need to re pin anything. The issue I was trying to get to, is that if you remove a harness from a Continental, the length of the wire to #1 is probably the shortest. Now you install in a Lycoming airframe, and the distance to #1 is the furthest. You may be short, but I suspect you will be OK. If not, use #5 and #6 wires, they are probably the longest. Regards, Don H Quote
RLCarter Posted August 12, 2016 Author Report Posted August 12, 2016 Don H, you are correct, #'s 5 & 6 have to be removed. I haven't looked closely at the harness, but if the original installer cut the harness to get a "cleaner" installation then it will need to be re-pinned so the wiring will be long enough to reach the front cylinders. The up side is that coming off a 6 cly. It will leave 2 ea. EGT & CHT probes as spares should I every need them. Quote
Guest Posted August 12, 2016 Report Posted August 12, 2016 On August 11, 2016 at 0:15 AM, RLCarter said: Spoke with JPI, said it was not an issue just has to be re-pinned due to Conti and Lycoming cylinder numbers are opposite. Once it is installed there is a way to re-set to factory defaults then as it boots up it will recognize only the 4 cylinders that are connected. My IA buddy wanted me to start the installation today, but might have to jockey a couple things (intercom in one spare spot and Alt. field switch, and v light in the other). As far as the price goes, $200.00 for both is what said he'd sell it to me for (seems fair to me) At that price it's a steal, even if you have to replace a few probes. Clarence Quote
RLCarter Posted August 12, 2016 Author Report Posted August 12, 2016 Clarence, the price Is too low to pass up. I had no plans of adding/upgrading the original shotgun panel, but it looks like that has slightly changed Quote
carusoam Posted August 12, 2016 Report Posted August 12, 2016 Things we have learned... 1) getting FF and fuel totalizer is a very beneficial aid to help in not running out of fuel. 2) Having an engine monitor is a very beneficial aid to help identify engine challenges before they become engine problems. 3) Using used equipment is an acceptable practice. It just may take additional knowledge to get the details correct, and paying the installer for the job because his margin for selling the equipment won't be there... 4) when a panel mount GPS becomes part of the plan, the FF/totalizer can be connected to the GPS to give information regarding fuel needed to get to the final destination... Another beneficial aid. 5) read up on the JPI unit to see all the settings that are available to personalize it to best fit your needs. Find the details of all the things it can record and or alarm. FF & EGT makes reviewing a flight's data pretty complete. 6) Lycoming engines put the #1 cylinder up front. Continental cylinders put the #1 cylinder at the back of the engine. This could make rearranging the wires a necessity because of wire length. Let me know if I have missed something... Best regards, -a- Quote
RLCarter Posted August 12, 2016 Author Report Posted August 12, 2016 IA said everything is there to install the JPI, will give Shadin a call and see what the say Quote
carusoam Posted August 13, 2016 Report Posted August 13, 2016 Your GPS is going to need to talk to those guys...? Destination and mpg need the distance info to come from somewhere. Really powerful when set-up and working properly. Make sure you get all the details in order to avoid dissapointment. A lot of info and manuals are on line from the manufacturers... keep in mind I am not a reliable instrument guy. Just a PP. Best regards, -a- Quote
RLCarter Posted August 13, 2016 Author Report Posted August 13, 2016 No GPS, have all the manuals (owner & install) for both. GPS with the Shadin would be nice, but...... Quote
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