AOA installation

[DaV8or]

They had several, actually many, Mooneys. I wished I remebered the number and the name of the FBO. And back in the day, there was no engine tear-down requirement. Dial the crank and slap on another prop. Pretty scary!

Rip

 

Ohhhh. This must have been a long, long time ago. There haven't been any Mooneys over there in a very long time.

[PTK]

PTK, this whole thread has been a discussion amongst aviators, discussing AOA - both the AOA indicator units, but also AOA as an aeronautical concept - this is a fundamental concept in flying. But you have jumped into the whole thing and treated it as an argument that you wish to win. Right or wrong in your points, your whole perspective on this discussion has been side-tracking. I am just bewildered how you can approach M016576 thread above which such disdain. He is a former Naval aviator, I believe (correct me if I am wrong), Naval test pilot school, and currently an air force CFI in the F15. He has been addressing us as a fellow Mooney aviator. I believe he is correct in the engineering points of his discussion, and patient in coming back to try again to educate. In any case, believe him or not, it would be ok to just nod head and let it rest. He wants an AOA for his own personal plane. Or is he wrong as you keep saying, and he should get more training and learn how to fly? He reports on the 2013-hours thread, 110 hrs mooney, 175 f15, and 100hrs f15 simulator (training). But you are right he should get more training before he gets an AOA.

Likewise others with extremely high training, experience and knowledge have been rebuffed they need more training before they should get an AOA. Guys like master Mooney CFI instructor Don Kaye (reports 293 hours in 2013...less than usual he says) or Ward who is some kind of coorporate pilot/cfi as far as I can tell from the experience he mentions.

Or even me - I can definitely use more training and I DO work on more training. But I am a math professor with a good deal of experience professionally in fluid dynamics, and I have been well trained theoretically in AOA long before I ever learned to fly. Can't I have an AOA AND also train more to fly better? I am currently working on my commercial. I do not claim to be an expert by any means, either in flying or even in all things aerospace engineering. But I know what AOA is and I went out of my way to have one installed in my airplane. Even though it is not a replacement for training as you seem to imply it is one or the other, I have chosen the "combination-platter" - I chose both an AOA indicator and more training.

It is my opinion that most people who are motivated specifically to install an AoA in their airplane, are more likely to learn what is AoA as an aeronautical concept. That is the beginning of learning more about flying. I think a few folks it seems here have become more educated recently on this topic as a direct result of this thread. I think this thread has been a shining example what Mooneyspace can be - sharing information and thinking deeply about aeronautical concepts with aviators of all different experiences.

But forget the topic for a minute. Whatever someone says you seem to come back and say they are wrong. Eventually you have won this argument so it seems (and we all thought it was a discussion), by sheer exhaustion - many of the posters stopped addressing you, but have been addressing each other and ignoring and working around your rebuffs.

Ok, I am standing by PTK - tell me how I am wrong. I am done and you can have the last word.

I respectfully disagree with and reject your characterizations in their entirety.

I reject the notion that expressing my opinion is the problem here. If that bothers you, no apologies.

You're putting words in my mouth and that I do not appreciate, Professor.

I don't know your intentions or motivations. Perhaps because it's convenient and suits your argument. Or perhaps this is your MO. You're not above attempting to discredit opinions different from yours.

Never ever did I say anyone is "wrong." Never ever did I disrespect or treat anyone with "disdain." Never ever did I discount anyone's level of experience and expertise.

I would appreciate if you'd be careful and choose your words wisely.

No one has a monopoly on virtue. Not even you Professor!

[BobAustin]

Rip,

I emailed a new shipping address.

Bob Yarbrough

[rq3]

Rip

 

Okay, comin' off the fence and placed my order too!

 

bumper

 

I placed my order directly via PayPal on the CYA-100 website . . . is there a group buy discount?? Did I miss out (as usual)?

 

If there's a group buy, I'd be happy to organize another on both the Husky and BackCountryPilot web sites . . .

Hi Bumper, got your order, many thanks. Yes, there is a 10% discount for the members of this group until the end of Jnuary. You'll get a rebate check with your shipment.

 

Regards,

Rip

[rq3]

Hi Bumper, got your order, many thanks. Yes, there is a 10% discount for the members of this group until the end of Jnuary. You'll get a rebate check with your shipment.

 

Regards,

Rip

 

Rip,

I emailed a new shipping address.

Bob Yarbrough

Got it, thanks Bob.

Rip

[rq3]

Ohhhh. This must have been a long, long time ago. There haven't been any Mooneys over there in a very long time.

Late 70's! Well over 30 years ago!

Rip

[rq3]

bumper

 

If there's a group buy, I'd be happy to organize another on both the Husky and BackCountryPilot web sites . . .

Bumper, I'd be happy to offer the same 10% off to any group that can get together at least 10 committed orders. But hurry, I'm in the process of purchasing parts for the next production run.

Rip

[wishboneash]

Bumper, I'd be happy to offer the same 10% off to any group that can get together at least 10 committed orders. But hurry, I'm in the process of purchasing parts for the next production run.

Rip

 

Please confirm you got my order as well (sent in yesterday). I may have not put the "Mooneyspace" in the ebay transaction, but sent you a separate email referencing the order. Thanks.

[rq3]

Please confirm you got my order as well (sent in yesterday). I may have not put the "Mooneyspace" in the ebay transaction, but sent you a separate email referencing the order. Thanks.

Yes indeed, order received. Many thanks, and expect shipment within 2 weeks. As mentioned, I'll include the "rebate" check with you shipment.

Rip

[wishboneash]

Yes indeed, order received. Many thanks, and expect shipment within 2 weeks. As mentioned, I'll include the "rebate" check with you shipment.

Rip

Thanks.. I meant paypal transaction 

[rq3]

Thanks.. I meant paypal transaction 

Me too. I got your PayPal payment. The easiest way for me to deal with the 10% off is to just cut you a check when

I ship your order.

 

Rip

[fantom]

 

I did it for you, Rip....but I NEVER feel good using this "service".

[rq3]

 

I did it for you, Rip....but I NEVER feel good using this "service".

I'm not wild about PayPal either, since they take a pretty massive wack of the transaction. That's why

I also take personal checks if the sender is willing to wait for it to clear (while the banks make money

on the interest while they sit on it). Got to be , gosh, at LEAST 0.000032 cents these days!

 

By the way, if you all could tag your payment in the PayPal "Comment" box with your MooneySpace

"handle" it would help me tremendously in keeping track of who is who.

Thanks,

Rip

[Marauder]

I'm not wild about PayPal either, since they take a pretty massive wack of the transaction. That's why

I also take personal checks if the sender is willing to wait for it to clear (while the banks make money

on the interest while they sit on it). Got to be , gosh, at LEAST 0.000032 cents these days!

By the way, if you all could tag your payment in the PayPal "Comment" box with your MooneySpace

"handle" it would help me tremendously in keeping track of who is who.

Thanks,

Rip

Sorry to hear about the transaction fee being so high. I would have paid by check. I may be a dirty rotte scoundrel, but my checks clear...

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[wishboneash]

I'm not wild about PayPal either, since they take a pretty massive wack of the transaction. That's why

I also take personal checks if the sender is willing to wait for it to clear (while the banks make money

on the interest while they sit on it). Got to be , gosh, at LEAST 0.000032 cents these days!

 

By the way, if you all could tag your payment in the PayPal "Comment" box with your MooneySpace

"handle" it would help me tremendously in keeping track of who is who.

Thanks,

Rip

 

If I had known I could have done a Billpay from my bank account.

[Shadrach]

I will order one as soon as my IA confirms he has no issues with the installation. Thanks Rip!

 

As an aside, I cannot believe some of the absolutely ridiculous comments I've read in this thread. An ASI is not superior in any way to an AOA. It's a device that tells you...um...your airspeed...from that you must calculate and or interpolate when the wing will stop flying at a given weight and bank angle.  I actually enjoy short field work. Real short field landings in a Mooney require threshold speeds in the neighborhood of 1.1Vso.  I can get pretty close with a calculator by deriving approach speed numbers from published power off stall speeds. However, those are derived numbers with rounding errors and the published numbers are for my AC model, not my specific AC  and make no allowance for power on.  Why on earth anyone would poo poo an actual indication of AOA in favor of trying to derive this info on the fly from POH numbers and an ASI is beyond me...    

[rq3]

If I had known I could have done a Billpay from my bank account.

 

 

Sorry to hear about the transaction fee being so high. I would have paid by check. I may be a dirty rotte scoundrel, but my checks clear...

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Not a problem, folks. Just part of the cost of doing business in the 21'st century.

Rip

[DaV8or]

Not a problem, folks. Just part of the cost of doing business in the 21'st century.

Rip

 

You might also consider using Square. Super easy credit card processing at rates that are a little less than PayPal. I use them.

 

squareup.com 

[David Mazer]

Only 5 of the 10 committed have actually placed their orders so far.  Please don't leave the 5 out in the cold with the group purchase thing.  FYI, the Huskey group has also purchased 2.

[Marauder]

Who hasn't committed yet? I will fly from city to city looking for those scoundrels!

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[Carl S]

Only 5 of the 10 committed have actually placed their orders so far.  Please don't leave the 5 out in the cold with the group purchase thing.  FYI, the Huskey group has also purchased 2.

 

Is is first paid, first served?  I might be interested in a slot but need to check with my IA first.

[Marauder]

Is is first paid, first served? I might be interested in a slot but need to check with my IA first.

Yes, place your order tonight and Rip will ship your unit in 2 weeks. Me and bumper got the last two of his current batch. I'm sure if your IA came back next week and said "201_MSE (by the way, is this Mike from Pittsburgh?), "no way", he will refund your money. Right Rip? Sent from my overpriced iPad using Tapatalk

[RocketAviator]

Only 5 of the 10 committed have actually placed their orders so far.  Please don't leave the 5 out in the cold with the group purchase thing.  FYI, the Huskey group has also purchased 2.

Ok ok David you have successfully guilted me into placing my order.... LOL  I am in no hurry so everyone else can get ahead of me that wants to.  I may not ever install it as I already have the Alpha unit.  Still think it would be interesting to see how they compare0.  

[Marauder]

Ok ok David you have successfully guilted me into placing my order.... LOL I am in no hurry so everyone else can get ahead of me that wants to. I may not ever install it as I already have the Alpha unit. Still think it would be interesting to see how they compare0.

Super -- BTW, I think I found everything for the Garmin 295 (unit, yoke mount, cables) I promised your friend. I think you sent me a message about shipping. Where do you want it to go to? PM me...

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[rq3]

Is is first paid, first served?  I might be interested in a slot but need to check with my IA first.

Yes, first paid, first served. I can't think of any other fair way to do it. I keep a spreadsheet of units by serial number as the PayPal notification comes in.

The last two units in stock went out today (to Bobaustin and Marauder).

Rip