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Haha! Great minds…. Steve is great and is who I prefer to work on my plane. I guess I will just wait til he can fit me in. He is super busy and I feel like I am keeping him from bigger jobs. Solid dude. Tim

Hey everyone, my mechanic is swamped at the moment, so I am finding myself needing to look for options. I have 201 style yokes and shafts I’d like installed in my 63 C model. Of course this means PTT wiring for the new yokes and also my old yokes had USB charging ports mounted to them at 6 o’clock so I will need them either relocated to the panel or mounted up to the new yokes. Can anyone recommend someone that can do this without me having to remortgage my home? Just trying to expand my options here. Tim

I have heard past complaints about JPI’s customer service online, but it does seem they are making a real effort now to take care of their customers. And I really do love flying behind that EDM900.

@KSMooniac Fast shipping! Thank you!

Another happy customer with @Parker_Woodruff’s Airspeed Insurance. Great personalized service.

@m20f Since they operate off the same concept, I would imagine cooling ability is similar. The IcyBreeze has the ability to run off a battery, 12v source, or AC adapter. If that flexibility is important to you, that may give it the advantage. The cooler itself can keep ice frozen for multiple days if you arent running the AC, so the insulation works well.

I just noticed @A64Pilot’s questions and wanted to try and address some of them here. I am not a professional detailer but I have been an auto detailing enthusiast for about 10 years, buying, learning, and experimenting with nearly every fad and development since then. Everything is labeled “ceramic” or “graphene” these days and these products are not equivalent to a ceramic coat. They may have some of the properties of a ceramic coat, last longer than an equivalent product without the SiO2 content, or the product may enhance the longevity of a previously applied ceramic coat, but they are not the same. If the product is a spray and wipe on product or a “wax”, it is not a true ceramic coat. So the popular CMX ceramic spray coat or Meguiar’s or Turtle Wax ceramic spray is not the same as a coating. Now they are excellent products that do add gloss, water shedding, and protection to your paint better than the typical polymer spray on/wipe off sealants of decades past, they do not possess the longevity and protection of a true coating. Ceramic coatings come in a small bottle, usually around 2 ounces. They are applied with a microfiber applicator and once the product has cured, it will solidify and the applicator will be disposed. The bottle of product, once opened and exposed to air, will typically crystalize over a period of time. These products can cost around $75-200 per bottle depending on the brand. Popular brands of ceramic coatings include GTechniq, Adams Polishes, CQuartz, Ceramic Pro, etc., The reason why the prep for a ceramic coating typically involves a full decontamination and paint correction prior to application is multi-fold. 1. It is expensive and time consuming to apply so we want to ensure the coating lasts as long as possible. Removing contaminants will help the coating bond to the surface and stay there. 2. The coating is very hard and lasts a long time. Therefore, removing swirls and scratches is a good idea rather than trapping them under the coating. Once cured, the coating cannot be washed off and must be polished off 3. Even if you are only waxing, it is not a bad idea to clay and chemical decon, and paint correct to maximize the shine and minimize the swirls The majority of the shine quality of any job lies in the paint itself. Oxidized or swirled up paint can only improve so much regardless of wax or coating, but freshly corrected and decontaminated paint in good condition can look even better than a waxed or sealed job with lesser quality prep. Of course, raw paint will no protection against the elements, but that is a different point. All that said, if you like to work on your plane’s or car’s paint, you may not need a ceramic coat. With good prep, a ceramic spray product will protect your paint and look fantastic. It will just need to be reapplied every month or two for maximum protection depending on how much of the elements the paint sees. Best of luck and happy flying!

I have the IcyBreeze Platinum and for me it works pretty well. 35 lbs of ice cools the cabin decently and lasts longer in the low setting (maybe 2-3 hours). I only put it on high for taxi and holding short. I just got some IcyBlocks that you can freeze (1gal each) and they reportedly last quite a bit longer than cube ice and it’s free. On a hot day, I find it to be quite a game changer in terms of comfort.

@Scott McGill Thank you! So satisfying when it comes out.

Another picture after ceramic coat. Keep in mind this paint is pushing 18 years old.

I’m a hobbyist car detailer and here is the skinny on ceramics, which represent some of the latest technology in the last several years. There are a great many “ceramic” products that are simply SiO2 infused products, which will give you some of the properties of a true ceramic coating, but not at the same level of effectiveness or longevity. A true ceramic coating requires a significant amount of preparation: Decontamination both with iron remover and then a clay bar after a thorough washing. After that usually the paint can use some paint correction. Most will need a two step correction for best results. Then a wipedown with isopropyl alcohol to remove any oils left on the paint. After that, the actual coating can be applied. This requires a bit of technique to avoid high or uneven spots. Then the coating must be allowed to cure, usually 24 hours without exposure to any water or weather elements. Done right, this can take quite a few hours, but the end result is a high gloss protective coating that sheds water better than wax and with proper maintenance can protect your paint and last years. I did my M20C and it took about three weekends from prep to finish working on it as I had free time.

News says minimal damage to the aircraft and no injuries. That is great news!

@ArtVandelay 2014

My M20C came with the JPI EDM900 installed when I purchased the airplane in January. I noticed it was displaying LOGGING DISABLED and would no longer log any data, so I gave them a call. Apparently it required a firmware update that must be factory installed. I received an RMA number and waited for the airplane to be down for the GI275 upgrade before pulling out the JPI. Fast forward to this week, I dropped off the unit at their offices since they are local to me. Shelby was super helpful and said my RMA was already marked HOT and they would try to turn it around same day. I told them I would be in the area the next day so it would certainly be okay if they finished the work by the following day. The next day, it was ready. Apparently the chipset was also old and needed to be updated so they did that as well for no extra charge. All in all it was $125. Really good to know that the company stands behind its products and supports their customers with a quick turnaround and friendly service.

@Bob R Yes, if one finds the right shafts for his vintage used, he can get them maybe even for less than $1000 a pair. Control wheels are about $1000 a pair as well unless you are patient and a little lucky. After buying a pair of nice 201 control wheels for $1000, I came upon a set of wheels with the shafts I needed for $750 or so for everything. I ended up selling the original pair I got. Wheels are now off for leather wrap.

@Buckeyechuck I called an MSC in Arizona and they looked it up for me. Factory charges near $6,000 for the upgraded 201 style yokes with shafts, new.

I received a reply via email regarding parts and indeed LASAR parts will not be moving. I was told via email that flap gap seals are going to be available soon as are one piece belly pans.

I was jealous of all the newer, fancier Mooneys. Mine was the only C model present. I had to leave early due to having to take my cat for an emergency vet visit. All the instructors were professionals and I will be returning for another one in the future. Loved meeting everyone and I wish I could have stayed for the banquet.

Waiting for weather to clear out here before heading up. See you guys there. Gonna be windy! Tim

Mike Busch gave great advice on not letting a faded paint job deter you from an appropriately priced plane. Usually the price will reflect the equivalent savings of the cost of a paint job and now you get to pick exactly the scheme you want on your plane! Congrats on your new to you airplane from a new Mooney owners well. I bought a 63 C model in January and been flying it a bunch since. I think I’ve put more hours on it in two months than I flew in the past two years! My panel upgrade includes dual GI275s as I already have a JPI EDM 900, in preparation for a GFC500 one day. Can’t wait to see more of your airplane adventures! Tim

I just wanted to hop on and thank everyone for their help. I got really lucky and was able to find a pair of control wheels with shafts that will work with my 63 C model. They are the same part numbers as @wings_level got from the factory. It didn’t break the bank so I will be contacting Hector hopefully tomorrow to schedule a leather wrap. I appreciate everyone on this thread and this forum. It is a fantastic source of knowledge and a gathering of good people willing to help out their fellow Mooniac.

I am waiting for my dual GI275s to come in. Local avionics shop (G dealer) has scheduled me for a mid June install. Next upgrade after will be a GFC500 but that wont be for a while. The money thing is a drag…

So, about $2k less than a GFC500. Not sure if this was worth the wait.

Someone got the wheels and shafts from @jezzie ahead of me (as I only needed the shafts). Thank you @wings_level for confirming the part numbers for your application. that helps a lot. If anyone has shafts for a 77-78 J model for sale, esp part numbers below, please let me know 710072-501 710072-502 Thank you!

Agreed. I figured I am touching the control wheel every time I fly, so this will be a worthwhile upgrade. I think I found the applicable part numbers for the shafts and yoke. Not sure what that extra linkage piece that @Skates97 had on his logbook entry is, but I have my eye on it.