Paul_Havelka

Did you ever put your volt meter on the battery itself? Also, just because the alternator is relatively new, that doesn’t mean it can’t be bad. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I’m sure this has been covered but I must be searching the wrong things since I’m coming up empty handed. My question is in regards to rust and acceptable means of mitigation in the spread of it. If someone were to find rust on their cage(acceptable amounts. Not talking scrap the plane) what are the acceptable means to deal with it? After scuffing with say some Emory cloth, scotch brite pad, etc to get rid of the offending oxidation are products like ospho/por-15 ok to use? Of course after that the primer would be touched up and a product like corrosion x used as a preventative measure. Paul Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Our resident experts should be here shortly but I'll second what is above. Should you make the jump, get as much aircraft for your money as possible. With that budget you should be able to find a really nice E model and a pretty decent F model. The F will have 5" more length in the passenger area. I'm currently looking at an E model and had myself and 2 boys, 14 and 17, in it and we fit fairly decently. There was more room in it than the cherokee that we are currently training in.

It may not have been metal but I didn’t look at it very closely. I do know that the Topprop and belly pan were as a result of a gear collapse upon landing. According to the owner he went to retract the gear upon takeoff and the breaker popped. Tried it again and same story so he brought it back around and when he landed the gear collapsed. Guessing it traveled just enough to allow the collapse once weight was on it. It seems that the investments/mods stopped once the current owner acquired it in 1992. He was a contract aerospace engineer and said he would get an apartment wherever the contract was and use the E to fly to and from home on the weekends. He currently just holds a PPL but said he would like to get his IR. According to some of the records I have it looks like it was maintained in Kerrville at Dugosh for many years before making its way to the DFW area and finally to Oklahoma Paul Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Well I went ahead and ordered the FAA documentation on the aircraft and have been doing some digging. As per the FAA records this is what has been listed that is currently still on the E. - O&N bladders - LASAR smooth belly 129B - LASAR 103A & 103B, brake relocation and wheel well liners - Hartzell 3 blade topprop - InterAV 50A alternator - Mooney retrofit 1 piece windshield, as per drawing 940022 - Flap gap fairing kit - KMA24, KX155 (X2), KR86, KI208, KI209, KN62 (As long as everything is operational, would this be a doable IFR platform or would more be needed? I know GPS is the ticket but until this thing gets that upgrade would everything be sufficient?) - Nose gear truss was replaced due to dents in the original. PN 540004-501 circa 1988 If anyone just likes to read through FAA documentation I do have it saved and could send it but this is the jist of it all. @carusoam, After looking at it and other Mooneys of the same vintage I do believe that the doubler just above the windshield was from an old antenna. Once I get back home and get the @creekratjr HS graduation out of the way I'm going to see if I can meet up with the current owner and start to scour the logbooks. Will probably just take pictures of everything so I can look them over at my leisure. Oh and by the way, @creekratjr soloed this past week!!! Super proud of him and it looks like he may be on course to have his PPL before he turns 18 in July!

Another way of taking care of those pesky tywraps is to use a pair of linesman pliers and you twist it similar to how you would safety wire and it tends to leave softer edges. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

@carusoam We finally have an addition to the MS family that you were asking about earlier in this thread. Welcome [mention=18380]creekratjr[/mention] Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

So a little update to this. My son has decided to stay at home and work full time while going to school part time at the local community college and pay as he goes for his flight training. Our flight instructor has already offered to give him some work once he gets his cmel and is even offering to take him on some of his trips with him to get an idea what his type of commercial flying is like. My son and I have also been talking about what he should look for in a full time job and he is going to start hitting up all of the local fields to see if there are any A&Ps that might be looking for help. If he is able to get on with an a&p I told him that it is possible for him to end up becoming an a&p himself all while getting his different certifications to fly whatever it is that he wants. This would allow him a much broader scope of work in an industry where both pilots and mechanics are in dire need. He liked this idea as did I (I’m hoping he can become a Mooney expert and tinker on dad’s future plane with that “I raised you” discount [emoji51]) Little $h!t is also likely to be going to OSH with our instructor as part of his birthday gift from the wife and I. What a way to turn 18. And hopefully he’s already a newly minted private pilot by then. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

@steingar I’ve known for a long time. I’m just hoping this is able to be parlayed into more money for more Mooney Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I’m not sure if I’ll ever have the need or want to own a twin but crazier $h!t has happened. That being said, KSLG (Smith Field in Siloam Springs, AR) where I get my instruction at has a very good c414 a&p ia and my instructor flies several commercially. That a&p are actually looking at buying one and having it for rental/instruction so for the very few times I would “need” a twin I will most likely have access to one. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I will have no problems paying a premium for premium level service once I find the a/c that’s for me. What I would have problems with is having that good communication in the beginning and then the mx just doing whatever they wanted to make an extra dollar. I know this is aviation and everything is slow and expensive, except mooneys, they’re not slow [emoji51]. When I had a small business customizing HD motorcycles I would always err on the side of caution and do my best to under promise and over deliver. If you come in with worst case or close to it and are able to get it done faster and cheaper with a quality level of service then you don’t even need to advertise. You’ll have more business than you know what to do with. I would have major issue with what [mention=6921]hank[/mention] went through but then again I’m old fashioned where people treat others with respect and a handshake is worth more than anything. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Because he knew he had him somewhat over a barrel. No better than a common thief if you ask me.

Fortunate for you that you were planning for this anyway. Is it not possible when getting clarification (like from the original FSDO) to get something in writing from them that you could reference in the logbook entry? "Avionics sub-panel installed on pilot side. Only logbook entry needed as per FSDO. Reference correspondence dated ??/??/??" Sorry if this is a newb question but I am a newb so cut me some slack..lol

@carusoam I think I’ll do that with the logbooks sometime within the next month or so during my hectic schedule. Going back offshore for 2 weeks and then coming back home for my oldest to graduate HS and then off on an 8 day cruise for his graduation with a big family group. I may see if I can sneak some time in to go review them and snap pictures with my phone, if he’s ok with it, and see what I can make heads or tails of. And I’m sure there are several of y’all here that would be more than willing to help me understand the logs just so that I know better what I’m looking at. I mean, I do have to work on this since I WILL be an airplane owner at some point Paul Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

@KLRDMD This very well could be the case but I did see that there had been some damage there. There was some deformation of the surrounding aluminum that appeared like it was depressed enough in that area at some point to cause some creasing of the skin in that area. All in all I think I was pushing this a little more than I should have been. Who knows, maybe the owner and I will talk more about it and we may reach an agreement. I'm not going to bank or count on it but if it happens to pan out then great. If not then that leaves me in the same position I am in now which isn't exactly poor but with an airplane to call my own I most certainly would be...lol. Paul

After looking around and doing some soul searching I'm going to pass on this aircraft. Just based off of what I saw in person and what I've seen in comparisons I think the gentleman that owns it has too much of an emotional attachment(owned it since 1992) and that is driving his current evaluation(45k). When I was walking around it I saw some flaws that I just don't think looked quite right to me. The first was that it had a 1 piece belly but it didn't seem to look like any others that I've seen. This one pretty much looked just like 1 sheet of sheet metal that was just screwed in place. No contours and the edges looked unfinished and just seemed "off" to me. The other big (to me) thing that I saw was that there had been some sort of damage just above the windshield right on the center line that had been patched with a small (2" x 4") piece of aluminum riveted in place. With that being said the wife and I are planning to pay some stuff off between now and next summer and if in the meantime a smoking deal on a solid airframe falls into my lap then I may jump on it but if not it'll be no different than I am right now. I don't have a plane...lol. For now I will continue to focus on my ppl training and once that is out of the way I will continue to rent my instructor's pa-28-140 whenever I want to get high and hopefully get some time with one or more of the very generous and knowledgeable MSers. My plan going forward will be to look for a clean E or F model for when the SWMBO says it's ok to pull the trigger. Paul

Bill must be my mother-in-law’s spirit animal! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Pics or it never happened . Good luck and you will find that there is a plethora of information and many individuals willing to step up and give someone some help around here. Look forward to seeing updates on this

I haven’t seen it mentioned yet but I would also make sure to add gutters and an in floor drain if at all possible. For the drain, just a pipe to the exterior for if and when the floor needs a bath. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Absolutely. I would want to move forward with the WAAS gps rather quickly as I would want to start working on my IR soon after getting my ppl. The current owner also expressed interest in getting his IR and seeing as my son will be working towards becoming a professional pilot he would need to start working on his IR rather soon as well. We’re both going for a couple hours today and the wife said we just needed to both become CFIs...lol. Maybe one day she’ll tell me to quit my job and fly for a living. Was hoping to get more time this week before I went back to work but our instructor is gone this week for a course to be checked out in a TBM 850. Apparently there are several in the area that need pilots. Paul Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

@DustinNwind From your for sale post I have no doubt that your ramp presence is more like the girl dressed to the nines whereas this is the punk/grunge chick...lol. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I can’t say what I use since I have yet to own an airplane. I am volunteer firefighter and we have spring loaded friction mounts that I’m trying to locate but I also came across http://quickfistclamps.com/quickfist/Products.aspx that looks like they’d possibly work for you. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

@carusoam Fixed that. I am located in northeastern Oklahoma and the plane is in a hangar that is owned by the current owner at the local field that’s about 15 minutes from the house. He said if he were to sell it outright he’d be asking ~45k. If he’s willing to partner for 20k and everything checks out on a PPI then I think it’d almost be a no brainer. That way him and I could split any upgrade costs until he no longer wanted to maintain his 50% where I would then buy him out. He is currently building a sonex and has an ultralight in the hangar so I suspect that he’ll want to fly the sonex more than the Mooney for a while once the sonex is complete. The aircraft does have the wing leveler that is operational but would definitely look into the trutrack once we addressed any other wants that preceded an ap Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

@carusoam Training is going good in between my spotty work schedule as of late. My son should be soloing within the next week or so and I’m not too terribly far behind him. I did discuss with him that if we partnered that I would like to add some sort of WAAS gps source in addition to an adsb transponder and the first thing that popped into my mind when I saw the panel was @alanfox. Another thing I told my son I would want would be an engine monitor so that we can keep an eagle eye on what’s happening under the cowl as well as be better equipped to run her LOP when we want to. @donmuncy I knew that if no one was close that someone had vouched for that Mr Maxwell is well within Mooney distance for me. I would love to find someone willing to do a “potential owner” assisted PPI as I’m a firm believer that the more I know about the machine I am operating the easier it is for me to assist with a potential diagnosis when things start to go awry. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk