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Cost of ownership "budget"
Skates97 replied to J0nathan225's topic in Vintage Mooneys (pre-J models)
I'm still not quite sure why college tuition for kids comes into play... My kids knew that if they were going to college they better get good grades in high school and test scores to receive scholarships. If not then they were going to learn how to be a poor college student and work their way through school. I haven't added up my costs through my first year (11 months) of ownership. Here are the rough ones: Loan - $233/mo Hangar - $400/mo (Like others I consider this a necessity) Insurance - $1525 (I had zero complex/retract hours, under 60 total hours, renewal after passing 200 total and 140+ in type came back at $1005) Fuel - $6,300 (Approximate, I haven't catagorized everything in Quicken yet but that would be 140 hours, 10 gal/hr, and $4.50/gal) Shoulder Belts - $1,000 (Some might consider it optional but I considered this a necessity. I did the install and I think paid my AP/IA $20 to look it over and sign it off.) Oil changes - $240 (Approximate, $20 filter plus oil, I did them myself, three oil changes) 500 hr Mag Inspection - $1375 (They were at about 430 hours when I bought it) Misc - $2000? I have not kept track of little things here and there on the plane That puts me right about $20,000 and does not include the first annual that is due next month To that you can add in some other stuff that was completely optional. I just had an EDM830 installed this week and I have a used SL40 going in next week to replace the Narco Escort II that was my #2 Nav/Com. I just fly VFR but plan on putting in a GPS/Nav/Com next year and starting on my IFR which will add to the bill. Contrary to some advice I bought the plane even though I could not have afforded to pay cash for it, nor pay cash to put an engine in it. I could if necessary do that using a home equity line of credit if needed. I looked at my finances and decided that I could afford $1,500 or so a month to chase down the dream of flying so I did it. I can't put a price on the memories and experiences that we have had since owning the plane, which I guess is why I don't really keep track of expenses to the penny. I am blessed to have a wife that not only enjoys the plane but encouraged me to get it. She also has never had any concerns about upgrades if it is to make things either safer or more enjoyable. She just flew commercial to UT to visit grandkids this week and was really wishing she was in our plane instead of wasting time in the terminal and then getting crammed into a seat next to whoever. It cracks me up when people say our planes are cramped inside, there is more room than flying coach class, even in the back seat of a short body... -
Congratulations! I find it fun to look back at the track after I have been out doing maneuvers or just messing around.
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I got a price quote from http://www.adlog.com/ last month of $170 + $20 shipping and handling for their complete package. After that it is $38 a year for the subscription service. I haven't decided yet if I want to spend the time doing it myself or just pay for it. I realize that may put my membership in the CB club at risk but then some future projects on the panel are probably going to require that I turn in my membership card anyway... Annual is coming up next month so I need to make a decision one way or another.
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So the certified version has the heading bug? The Q&A on the Aircraft Spruce site said it was only in the experimental version but then sometimes those Q&A's are out of date.
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ICON A5: A Great Airplane With a Deadly Appeal
Skates97 replied to GeorgePerry's topic in Miscellaneous Aviation Talk
I watched it with the sound off and never finished it. I did rewind it a few times to watch what kind of maneuvers he was doing but once I could no longer see the plane flying I quit watching. I used to look at car crashes and such as I drove by them, then one day I was driving past a scene and saw a pool of blood on the pavement coming from under a blanket over a body, I haven't looked closely at an accident since. I don't know if I would have tried to save him. I like to think I would, but until you are actually in that position you never really know... -
I need to dig back through some of my posts on my blog and pick out one or two.
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It is much easier to fly than any of the Cherokee's I trained in and as long as your speeds are right I think it is easier to land. (It's getting the speeds right that is the challenge sometimes)
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Welcome aboard. It is going to depend on what the mission is for your son and family. My mission was frequent trips in the 300-500 nm range with my wife and often my son to visit family. For us the Mooney was perfect. It's fast, efficient, and a joy to fly. They look great too! I don't think it's too early to consider a Mooney. However if he goes up in one he will probably fall in love with it. I did all my PPL in Cherokees and going to Mooney was a real treat. I finished my PPL and bought my Mooney with a little under 60 total hours. That was about 140 hours ago. I will warn you, if you are playing with the idea of maybe "giving it a go yourself" you might as well resign yourself to giving in and learning to fly. It's addictive... This was my first flight in my Mooney : http://intothesky.us/2016/12/17/a-second-first-flight/
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High RPM (2,900-3,000) After Take Off
Skates97 replied to Skates97's topic in Vintage Mooneys (pre-J models)
They put a strobe on it this morning and when the tach is showing 2,700 it is actually only turning at 2,610-2,615 so the tach reads almost 100 rpm high. They checked the governor and couldn't find anything that seemed wrong and will do some more checking and run-ups after they get the EDM830 in and they can get better data. -
We do the same thing at all three of our dealerships with menu pricing. We also sell a three pack of oil changes and unless there is an up sell we lose money on every single one. However year after year analysis shows that our customer retention is higher than the other dealerships in the region and the up sells from the multi-point inspection more than makes up for the loss on the oil changes.
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Amen to that. Back to that original discussion, am I the only one that thought of The Jetsons cartoon when they read the article?
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Me too, I've never been a fan of how much it is reclined. Of course it will just be for the left seat, my wife is still trying to figure out how to get it to recline further than the furthest setting.
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High RPM (2,900-3,000) After Take Off
Skates97 replied to Skates97's topic in Vintage Mooneys (pre-J models)
I haven't thought much of recording inside the cabin. The next time I fly I'll have the EDM 830 though so I will be able to analyze what is going on should anything be amiss. However the next time I fly it will also be after my mechanic has looked at it so hopefully whatever it was will be resolved and not a further issue. -
ICON A5: A Great Airplane With a Deadly Appeal
Skates97 replied to GeorgePerry's topic in Miscellaneous Aviation Talk
What an extremely misleading article. They have a point they are trying to make and shaping the article to make it. Sadly most people know little about flying and will believe everything they are saying. -
High RPM (2,900-3,000) After Take Off
Skates97 replied to Skates97's topic in Vintage Mooneys (pre-J models)
I'm not sure the oil change had anything to do with it, just that was the only thing that had been done. The departure from Corona going to Phoenix was normal, it was the departure on return that wasn't. I have heard the guys that cycle the prop way down as well and was told that wasn't good. I have read that it's not really necessary on our planes as well. However I was taught that I'm looking for the drop in oil pressure along with the change in rpm to tell me that the governor is working properly. @Cody Stallings, I don't know if you read through the whole thread so I'll repeat a few things. (Apologies for the repetition if you read the rest of it) The prop is a Hartzell, Model #HC-C2YK-1BF/F7666A-2. I don't really know if it was 3,000, details are not crystal clear and no monitor to record the data. What I can say with certainty is that after taking off I heard the engine running faster than normal, looked over, saw it above redline and immediately adjusted the prop which responded right away. It was somewhere between 2,800-3,000 but I can't say exactly where. Previous checks months ago with a cheap hand held showed rpm at 2,640-2,650 when tach read 2,700, but that could just be the cheap monitor. When the mechanic uses the strobe to see what it really is then I'll know. He'll start with the cheap and hopefully have the answers before it moves all the way to the expensive end of the spectrum. -
High RPM (2,900-3,000) After Take Off
Skates97 replied to Skates97's topic in Vintage Mooneys (pre-J models)
Hmm... I apparently am doing it wrong, based off my transition training. I just re-read that section of the POH and it states "Exercise the propeller at 1800-2000 RPM by pulling the propeller control to the "full-out" position. After the tachometer has shown a drop-off of 100 RPM, push the propeller control to the "full-in" position." Perhaps this is a contributing factor. Still going to see what the mechanic comes up with. -
ICON A5: A Great Airplane With a Deadly Appeal
Skates97 replied to GeorgePerry's topic in Miscellaneous Aviation Talk
I can see why there were the comments about his wife not wanting him to fly. If I flew like that my wife would never fly with me and wouldn't want me flying at all. -
That's not so late. I was 44 when I had my first lesson. Now I'm 45, just crossed 200 hours and 140 of those were in my Mooney. (Still puts a smile on my face and a bit of wonderment every time I say "my Mooney")
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High RPM (2,900-3,000) After Take Off
Skates97 replied to Skates97's topic in Vintage Mooneys (pre-J models)
Yes, every run-up. I don't cycle it 3 times like some but will cycle once or twice. RPM to 2,000, slowly pull prop control until oil pressure drops at which point the RPM's begin to drop. Immediately push the prop control back in which results in a drop of about 100-200 RPM before it comes back up to 2,000. POH says looking for a drop of 100. Interesting, that it is also in the 1965 C POH but the most recent one for 1977 they don't have any mention of it. I am still going to have the shop check things out and I'm interested to know how accurate the tach really is when they check it with the strobe. -
High RPM (2,900-3,000) After Take Off
Skates97 replied to Skates97's topic in Vintage Mooneys (pre-J models)
500 hour mag inspection was done 28.45 hours ago. I talked with my shop this morning and on Monday they are going strobe it to check the tach readings and will go from there. It was already going in for the 830 install. (Would have been nice to have had that done a week ago so I could pull the data instead of guessing at numbers but the 13th was the soonest they could get to it.) -
High RPM (2,900-3,000) After Take Off
Skates97 replied to Skates97's topic in Vintage Mooneys (pre-J models)
Honestly tough to tell and surge I suppose is a relative term. Sunday take off roll was normal, 2,700 rpm, off the ground at about 75 mph, and shortly after that I noticed the sound of higher RPM's, looked over and adjusted the prop. Last night I was watching for it and after leaving the ground saw that it was increasing past 2,700 so dialed it back. If that is a surge or gradual increase, I don't know. Not an issue of oil loss, I put 7 quarts in at the oil change and five hours later I still show over 6 on the dipstick. I'm normally adding a quart about 7.5-8 hours when it is between 5.5-6 quarts before the next flight. -
High RPM (2,900-3,000) After Take Off
Skates97 replied to Skates97's topic in Vintage Mooneys (pre-J models)
The prop is a Hartzell, Model #HC-C2YK-1BF/F7666A-2. I haven't looked in the prop manual regarding this but will be supplying the manual to my mechanic when I get the plane to him. Hub: S/N CH41645B It was also desludged back in 2007 after a prop strike a couple owners ago as part of the engine removal/tear down following the prop strike. -
High RPM (2,900-3,000) After Take Off
Skates97 replied to Skates97's topic in Vintage Mooneys (pre-J models)
I agree it is not a tach problem. I have enough time in the plane that I know what it sounds and feels like at 2,700 rpm and this was faster. -
High RPM (2,900-3,000) After Take Off
Skates97 replied to Skates97's topic in Vintage Mooneys (pre-J models)
Prop Control felt normal. Checking the cable afterwards showed no signs of anything amiss. RPM responded immediately when I adjusted it, brought it back to 2,700, then 2,600 for the remainder of the climb and 2,400 once at altitude. Subsequent flight (three trips around the pattern) I was watching for it and caught it before it got to 2,800 adjusting the prop control for 2,700 and leaving it there. On the two take offs following that it never went past 2,700 where the cable was set at. I couldn't tell you what the reading was when it occurred as my first action was to adjust the prop control. I can say oil pressure was normal on the take off roll and normal for the duration of the flight, but in that moment I don't know. In run-up oil pressure was fine and when cycling the prop oil pressure dropped as it should, I adjust the prop and watch the oil pressure for a drop. Once it drops I push the control back in which usually results in a drop of 1-200 rpm. Oil consumption five hours in is less than a quart which is consistent with my records after my previous three oil changes. The tach is possibly off. Months ago I was checking it with one of the cheap handheld readers and it consistently said it was a 2,640-2,650 when the tach showed 2,700. Of course that could mean it was a cheap instrument doing the reading that was off instead of the tach. I don't know if it was exactly 3,000. As I stated in a different thread, eye witness accounts are notoriously unreliable. My memory of the event is that just after lifting off, the engine sounded and felt different. The first thing I looked at was the tach because the engine sounded fast. It was above the red line so I grabbed the prop control and adjusted it. Was it between 2,800-2,900 or between 2,900-3,000? I really can't say with any certainty. I will post what the mechanic finds.