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Yeah, but…. Idle throttle and coarse prop have residual thrust rather than the drag of a windmilling prop pushing a dead engine. plan for 800-1000 FPM descent rate dead stick and best glide. 2x standard rate turn is approx 30* bank at Vbg (90 KIAS). Stall clean is 67, so some good margin there. However, you need approx 240* of turn to reverse course and align with the final. that is 2/3 of a minute at 2x standard rate turn. And the sink rate is going to go well beyond your wings-level 800FPM perfectly flown deadstick descent. If you have diverted 30% of the lift vector into the turn, you’re now coming down at 1200-1330 FPM. Add the startle factor, and it just won’t work. This exercise, as demonstrated, reminds me of all the wannabe hedge fund stud traders I crossed paths with years ago who could paper trade their way to a 4.0 sharpe ratio and immense riches. Seldom did it work out in real time and with real money. I’ll stick with small deviations from the upwind heading, a landing wings-level with as little energy as possible, and a good takeoff briefing so I’m not making things up under stress. -dan
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That’s a nice one one can at least practice wing level, trimming for sensible speed, at 50ft they will know if they will make it or not ! This makes the manoeuvre with lot of tailwind very tricky ! I once practiced in M20J, it needs more than 1000ft agl in calm wind to make full 360 turn, one can get in less than that with some headwind. However, less than 800ft, it looks like it has to be 180 turn with tailwind landing (or 270 turn to taxiway or cross runway). In glider, one can do 360 turn and land into wind after cable break at 400ft agl
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Kind of hard to practice that… But the video is informational regardless of the success or failure. I know that since I fly the exact same plane, this will be imprinted on my brain forever. just hoping I can overwhelm the instinct to pull up…
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Yes the video has that caveat about 4000ft-6000ft runway with all disclaimers but still fall short of a conclusive demo: looking at wind conditions, it seems like nice calm day to do a demo rather than landing with “15kts gusting 25kts” in the tail The problem with “impossible turn” into opposite runway comes with “50 shades of grey” of aeronautical decision making, I can see how it works with cross runways or long runways in clam winds, however, I still don’t get is wrong with landing ahead into wind? they are survivable even with trees and obstacles? If the terrain ahead is completely not survivable one is better off taking off with tailwind (to turn into wind landing) or start 360 turn back to runway after liftoff (while engine is running)? Even experienced pilot can’t make “impossible turn”, two years ago, a Thunderbirds Commander, AOPA Safety Guru and one of the most accomplished GA pilot passed away after attempting impossible turn in C177. https://data.ntsb.gov/carol-repgen/api/Aviation/ReportMain/GenerateNewestReport/193166/pdf A sobering lesson for many of us: land ahead unless you are overhead !
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My understanding from the video was that she landed on the same pavement she departed from. There is another runway at the airport, but she always departed 01 and returned to 19.
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Based on the G100UL fuel leak thread what's your position?
IvanP replied to gabez's topic in General Mooney Talk
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She stated at the beginning that she was only going to use the first 4000 feet = 1210 m of runway, and based on her runway exit, she used a bit less than that. English and European fields are generally smaller than American airports, but I've taken my C in and out of 2000' = 610 m grass runway, but never loaded heavy. I've also been based for almost a decade at 3000' paved fields with few options, but am now getting spoiled with 5000', full length taxiway and multiple Approaches.
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Based on the G100UL fuel leak thread what's your position?
hazek replied to gabez's topic in General Mooney Talk
I recently interacted with Scott, also privately and I will never again nor will I watch his content. I did watch this video just to see what he had to say and it's more of the same from him. He is not a truth seeking individual, is arrogant and presumptuous and unwilling to hear, really listen to, the other side. That's my opinion of him. And this video confirms it for me. He will not admit that yeah sure G100UL is way worse on certain materials than 100LL. No, he seems to think that it's either us dealing with whatever the fallout to switching to G100UL will be or not flying at all. Well ok, sir, have that position. But at least be honest about it and don't pretend getting a new paint job, o rings, gaskets and sealants is just easy peasy and super cheap to do and everyone will be able to continue to fly. Be honest and say that all GAMI did was test on a single 172. Be honest and say that your tiny leak became a major leak very quickly. Say it how it is. G100UL eats most of the materials used until now and most of the planes will need extensive investment to make them compatible with G100UL, if at all. And no, 100LL doesn't have the same effect. It's present but way way less. Bah it's all just so stupid. Someone in the comments of his video says it well: "This problem would have been solved 30 years ago if the EPA and FAA had simply told the industry back when lead was removed from auto fuels that leaded avgas would be sunset in 20 years and they thus had that long to find a solution. This would have forced the airframe, engine and fuel makers to work together aggressively to find a solution and I am 100% confident a solution would have been found." This is the real problem. We were let down by regulations. But more on the side of certification. Hopefully stuff like this will be a solution (although I'm not holding my breath): -
GXM42 antenna for Garmin 796 still viable?
LANCECASPER replied to Fritz1's topic in Avionics/Panel Discussion
If all you want is XM and not ADS-B in you can get a GDL-51 used on Ebay for between $400 and $500. But you can also get a used GDL-52 there as well and save a few hundred dollars. Other Benefits: The GDL-5X series adds AHRS so you will get synthetic vision on your Aera 796. It also offers the ability to bluetooth more than one device, such as a tablet or phone, which of course a GXM antenna didn't have. I have had my GDL-52 for a few years and I really like it. I also have an Aera 760. No regrets on either . The unit being on the glareshield is a non-issue. You can wire the Aera and the GDL 796 together power and data: https://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/avpages/aera795datapowercable.php?clickkey=20142 If you're really concerned about heat, I added one of these to my GDL-52 since I'm in Texas: https://www.ebay.com/itm/326232198845?_skw=garmin+GDL52+heat+shield&itmmeta=01K43AK1MQ410T7B0K2AK2KK16&hash=item4bf4f44ebd:g:~QIAAOSwjchmu4-3&itmprp=enc%3AAQAKAAAA8FkggFvd1GGDu0w3yXCmi1eyp3x8I%2Fs1Btxy0dFt6x6w2YyLHRpg5wt3wZui21zsCD1YVRVS1kpPHQ3NZUMDOz2sQeeCTELa%2Fp6Cl5kX2h8e1QWm5sv9ezOycs4IkaOIX8AAdfvSnFl2mSpeShl2uKIssPqtVj35Bkh8CDUbDR213xlWz5j3dTunrLHl%2BuW3MGYtpWyM27yUHtNteepfv1WIr4nMzazhzMCBJZw28cG6an30u%2BKMk1%2BpWI7KoLns9kN7%2BVv9I3gxPB058KRh8xyCt9WOYItLd2ezgke2toP%2FKVIftWjzdswcAghFM2hGsQ%3D%3D|tkp%3ABk9SR76azOqgZg -
GXM42 antenna for Garmin 796 still viable?
Fritz1 replied to Fritz1's topic in Avionics/Panel Discussion
think I answered my own question, only need XM, have ADSB through GTX345 transponder, there is a GDL51 receiver that can be outfitted with a small external antenna, receiver stays under glareshield, small antenna gets mounted on glareshield -
Based on the G100UL fuel leak thread what's your position?
Marc_B replied to gabez's topic in General Mooney Talk
Scott Perdue wrote: “I have to add a mea culpa- I got the AOPA Baron Fuel Leak at Oshkosh wrong. There was a 100LL leak, but there was also a G100UL leak and the culprit was an overfill and the cork gasket failed. Just wanted to correct the record. Once a video is up I can't really edit it without taking it down completely. I also made a note in the video description.” It was highly public with the G100UL leak on the Baron with the black goo under the wing as Osh24. I’m not sure where Perdue obtained his background research for this video. I suspect GAMI? Certainly makes it appear that Flywire is GAMI’s new advertising spokesperson. https://flyeagle.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/AOPA-Baron-Fuel-Cells-Report.pdf "Given the areas of stain and stickiness observed during the receiving inspection, we expected the left hand auxiliary cell to leak as well. However, the stickiness could have been caused by seepage into that cavity. The stickiness of the leaking main cells was in keeping with the number of leaks found. There is no doubt the patch may have been partially loose given its location however, the extent of the detachment in situ is in question. The removal and subsequent handling would have further separated the repair. The important question is why the repair began to detach. It may be possible that the missing internal rubber may have allowed the solvents in the fuel to penetrate the fabric and the exterior rubber coating and then getting beneath the external repair. This is most likely the reason given how the repairs are bonded." There’s more to the story than “move along folks nothing to see here” that Mr Braly likes to suggest. It’s striking that Mr. Perdue would suggest in a video that “surprise, it was only 100LL that leaked.” This suggests that his video isn’t researched and educated but just parroting support. -
Wow! Just over half the displacement, and almost a third heavier. Not sure I can take an extra 75 lb on the firewall, and they cleverly don't say if the 335 lb weight includes oil and coolant. Lycomung advertises 258 lb dry weight, and 6 quarts of oil is ~9-10 more pounds.
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GXM42 antenna for Garmin 796 still viable?
Fritz1 replied to Fritz1's topic in Avionics/Panel Discussion
yep, chances are the GXM42 is shot, lasted 4 or 5 years, the only thing I do not like about the GDL52 is its sheer size, copilot view blocked -
Nicely done!
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She's great. A lot to consider and I suspect the hardest part is forcing yourself to point down rather aggressively and holding off lowering the gear as long as possible.
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That’s the crux of it? It’s possible in 6000ft runway with cross runways ! I had to remind few UK GA pilots who were watching YT videos that we already struggle to land with engine into wind in typical British 1800ft runway
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335 pounds, including the starter, turbo and exhaust SpecSheetBack-April2025.pdf
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Piper Going Turkey Buzzard Hunting…
Mcstealth replied to hammdo's topic in Miscellaneous Aviation Talk
I believe that is the Black Vulture, not the Turkey Vulture. The head looks like the Black. The Black Vutures have big white spots on the bottom of the wings, the Turkey Vutures have a much more turkey looking head. Fun fact. What we grew up calling buzzards, is because of the German immigrants in the 1800's called them buzzards, because they don't have vultures in Germany. They have buzzards -
I’ve done this in my M20J. Making it from 600’ depends on the wind. It’s dicey if the wind is calm. I can always make it from 800’ and if there was much wind on takeoff you have to be careful if the runway is short because you’ll be landing with a tailwind. I brief 800 as my minimum turn back altitude under normal circumstances. You might consider that in some cases the best option might be to keep the gear up to stretch the glide and land somewhere flat on the airport gear up if you can’t make the runway. When Don Maxwell had to do this he told me he almost forgot the gear and put it down in the flare. He heard thump, chirp in short succession. He wouldn’t have made it if he had put the gear down earlier. He also had multiple long runways and taxiways available - things to consider when you brief.
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Search is your friend on Mooneyspace: https://mooneyspace.com/search/?q="POH BINDER"&quick=1&updated_after=any&sortby=relevancy - - - - - What I've used it the past which have held up well:
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It's a wash for my C. What is the engine weight?
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Just go to Staples or wherever you buy office supplies and get a standard binder as thick as you need. If you get the type that has clear plastic pockets on the cover and spine, you can print inserts and make it look as fancy as you want.
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TSIO 360 #6 Cylinder EGT "Hottest"
PeteMc replied to Australian M20K Owner's topic in Engine Monitor Discussion
Typically #5 is the hotest on the TSIO-360 due to the air scoop blocking a good amount of the airflow. So maybe a bad probe? -
I keep my ancient, browning booklet in the seat back pocket (because it's required), with electronic versions on phone and tablet. Checklists copied from the Owners Manual are pn my kneeboard, along with most of the Performance Tables for easy reference. It's amazing what you can fit on 8-1/2 x 11 paper printed in booklet format! Then do the tables in a spreadsheet and paste into the document. What an amazing coincidence that the kneeboard is exactly the size of a piece ofmpaper folded in half . . .
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Based on the G100UL fuel leak thread what's your position?
IvanP replied to gabez's topic in General Mooney Talk
Summary of Scott's video posted above - G100UL is completely safe, provided that all gaskets, hoses, diaphragms, etc., made from anyting else than Vitol are replaced, planes are rapainted or get magic"ceramic" coatings installed Yet another attempt to gloss over the known compatibility issues of this fuel.