Pilot Age and Insurance

[Jackk]

9 minutes ago, Aaviationist said:

Your ability to take a test is not related to science or genetics in any way. It’s really not that complicated. 

 Do you think IQ tests do not account for say genetic (breeding etc)?

Edited December 22, 2025 by Jackk

[Aaviationist]

3 minutes ago, Jackk said:

 So what part of the scientific methods does testing fail?

 

 Do you think IQ tests do not account for genetic breeding?

IQ doesn’t have anything to do directly with getting a pilots license. Study habits and subject specific knowledge (like an FAA written or practical) are not indicators of IQ. 
 

someone smarter than the scientists should know that already…

Edited December 22, 2025 by Aaviationist

[Jackk]

Just now, Aaviationist said:

IQ doesn’t have anything to do directly with getting a pilots license. 
 

someone smarter than the scientists should know that already…

 You think being a “scientist” means a ton?

 

 I knew a few of PHDs who were chronic renters, didn’t have reliable transportation, no money, and couldn’t get a job outside of academia.     Must be super duper smart lol

 

 So you’d say someone with a 80IQ could get their private?  Really?

[Aaviationist]

2 minutes ago, Jackk said:

 You think being a “scientist” means a ton?

 

 I knew a few of PHDs who were chronic renters, didn’t have reliable transportation, no money, and couldn’t get a job outside of academia.     Must be super duper smart lol

 

 So you’d say someone with a 80IQ could get their private?  Really?

Again, none of that has anything to do with being smart or IQ

 

yes. There are plenty of low IQ people with pilot’s licenses. 

Edited December 22, 2025 by Aaviationist

[Jackk]

Just now, Aaviationist said:

Again, none of that has anything to do with being smart or IQ

1 Do you think someone with a 80 IQ could get their PPL?

 

2 Is a IQ tied to genetics?

Edited December 22, 2025 by Jackk

[N201MKTurbo]

After 20 years of commuting with the Mooney, where I would fly 3 days a week and drive 2 days. (I hate to admit it, but I got tired of the hassle of flying). Flying VFR in good weather is way easier than driving. At least on the same boring route. To fly, I taxi out, take off, hit the autopilot and waited until I got there. While driving there were cars within a few feet of me constantly trying to kill me. It required constant attention or you would get killed. In the plane I could probably fall asleep for 15 min and nobody would ever know.

The door to door time flying was 5 min faster than driving, if I didn’t need to buy fuel.

[Aaviationist]

1 minute ago, Jackk said:

1 Do you think someone with a 80 IQ could get their PPL?

 

2 Is a IQ tied to genetics?

Yes. IQ is tied to genetics. No IQ is not a factor in subject specific test taking. 
 

no, on average a private pilot does not have a higher IQ than the average person. 
 

aging and brain functions are heavily impacted by genetics. 
 

the study of aging and brain function is transferable from an average “driver” to an average pilot. 100%

[Jackk]

9 minutes ago, Aaviationist said:

Yes. IQ is tied to genetics. No IQ is not a factor in subject specific test taking. 
 

no, on average a private pilot does not have a higher IQ than the average person. 
 

aging and brain functions are heavily impacted by genetics. 
 

the study of aging and brain function is transferable from an average “driver” to an average pilot. 100%

 So a 80 IQ could get their PPL?

 

 Interesting 

 

Apparently science doesn’t agree 

Edited December 22, 2025 by Jackk

[Aaviationist]

2 minutes ago, Jackk said:

 So a 80 IQ could get their PPL?

 

 Interesting 

 

 

If there wasn’t a limiting medication or disqualifying factor, yes. 
 

I also read a study that most people who bragged about “how much smarter they were” actually had lower than average IQ scores when tested. 

[Aaviationist]

But this is a conversation about aging and insurance. 
 

we have that data. 
 

being “a pilot” doesn’t make you special. 

[Jackk]

6 minutes ago, Aaviationist said:

If there wasn’t a limiting medication or disqualifying factor, yes. 
 

I also read a study that most people who bragged about “how much smarter they were” actually had lower than average IQ scores when tested. 

No

 

 Tons of science, mostly from decades of military testing, complete disagrees with you, folks with that IQ (genetics) will NOT pass a private pilot, in fact they honestly have a hard time even fitting in to society.
 

 So I was the one who was not too bright on science?

 

 

[N201MKTurbo]

Why are we talking about IQ? I thought we were talking about aging? Does one have anything to do with the other? I don’t think so.

 

[Jackk]

11 minutes ago, Aaviationist said:

But this is a conversation about aging and insurance. 
 

we have that data. 
 

being “a pilot” doesn’t make you special. 

 You opened the door, answer my question 

[Aaviationist]

Just now, Jackk said:

No

 

 Tons of science, mostly from decades of military testing, complete disagrees with you, folks with that IQ (genetics) will NOT pass a private pilot, in fact they honestly have a hard time even fitting in to society.
 

 So I was the one who was not too bright on science?

 

 

Just because you say a thing doesn’t make it true. 
 

tons of science never proved that low IQ people will not pass a private. In fact it’s quite the opposite regardless of IQ, anyone can take and pass subject specific tests. 
 

by definition, not being good or capable of a subject is NOT what IQ is. 
 

but I’d expect someone smarter than scientists to k ow that. 

[Aaviationist]

5 minutes ago, N201MKTurbo said:

Why are we talking about IQ? I thought we were talking about aging? Does one have anything to do with the other? I don’t think so.

 

It does not. 
 

we have someone bragging about being smarter than scientists bringing up an irrelevant argument in a factually incorrect way.

 

It’s like the lawnmower man talking to this guy. (Before the computer)

Edited December 22, 2025 by Aaviationist

[Jackk]

2 minutes ago, N201MKTurbo said:

Why are we talking about IQ? I thought we were talking about aging? Does one have anything to do with the other? I don’t think so.

 

I’d take a higher IQ old guy over a lower IQ young guy every day and twice on a Sunday 

Hard for insurance to test for this, but folks who don’t have the mental hardware will always be a bigger issue regardless of age.

 

 Same with emergency ops / folks who can not improv, hard to test for but it’s something like common sense that can’t be taught 

[Jackk]

1 minute ago, Aaviationist said:

Just because you say a thing doesn’t make it true. 
 

tons of science never proved that low IQ people will not pass a private. In fact it’s quite the opposite regardless of IQ, anyone can take and pass subject specific tests. 
 

by definition, not being good or capable of a subject is NOT what IQ is. 
 

but I’d expect someone smarter than scientists to k ow that. 

 I never said how “smart” I was or was not  

 

So the entire US military was wrong on IQ?

[Aaviationist]

10 minutes ago, Jackk said:

I’d take a higher IQ old guy over a lower IQ young guy every day and twice on a Sunday 

Hard for insurance to test for this, but folks who don’t have the mental hardware will always be a bigger issue regardless of age.

 

 Same with emergency ops / folks who can not improv, hard to test for but it’s something like common sense that can’t be taught 

That exact argument is 100% factually inaccurate. 
 

it’s not hard for insurance to test this at all. Again, as I’ve stated from the beginning, we’ve been doing aging and cognitive studies for hundreds of years. 
 

and again, IQ doesn’t have a single thing to do with any of it so I’m not sure why you keep arguing it and bringing it up. 
 

starting such incoherent arguments from thinking a state requiring liability insurance was “unconstitutional “ or “a rule of the sky” shows that it doesn’t matter what anyone tells you, you’re going to be a wall made from irrationality. 
 

it’s tiresome 

 

yes. A study from the 60s done by the military was wrong. 

Edited December 22, 2025 by Aaviationist

[Jackk]

4 minutes ago, Aaviationist said:

That exact argument is 100% factually inaccurate. 
 

it’s not hard for insurance to test this at all. Again, as I’ve stated from the beginning, we’ve been doing aging and cognitive studies for hundreds of years. 
 

and again, IQ doesn’t have a single thing to do with any of it so I’m not sure why you keep arguing it and bringing it up. 

 So 

 

The entire US military was wrong on IQ?

A 80 IQ is going to get their PPL?

 Please explained it simply, as you said I’m not a academic scientist, just a successful professional pilot 

Edited December 22, 2025 by Jackk

[N201MKTurbo]

2 minutes ago, Jackk said:

 So 

 

The entire US military was wrong on IQ?

A 80 IQ is going to get their PPL?

 Please explained it simply, as you said I’m not a academic scientist, just a successful professional pilot 

I think a hi IQ candidate is a lot cheaper to train.

[Aaviationist]

3 minutes ago, Jackk said:

 So 

 

The entire US military was wrong on IQ?

A 80 IQ is going to get their PPL?

 Please explained it simply, as you said I’m not a academic scientist, just a successful professional pilot 

I’ll “explained” it this way. Successful pilot or not, in this case you’re making a lot of irrational, ridiculous, factually incorrect, repetitive arguments. 
 

[Aaviationist]

2 minutes ago, N201MKTurbo said:

I think a hi IQ candidate is a lot cheaper to train.

In fact, some high IQ individuals struggle with practical tests. 

maybe they do better at the book work (not scientifically proven or accurate)

But it’s individual on every level. IQ isn’t a measure of success in 99% of cases and it doesn’t take a high IQ to be a pilot. Only a bit of structured studying which anyone at any IQ level can do. 
 

aging is also individualized and accelerated cognitive decline becomes most apparent in or around the late 60s on average. 

[N201MKTurbo]

3 minutes ago, Aaviationist said:

 

aging is also individualized and accelerated cognitive decline becomes most apparent in or around the late 60s on average. 

Thanks for the encouragement. I’ll be 69 in a few months.

[Jackk]

17 minutes ago, Aaviationist said:

In fact, some high IQ individuals struggle with practical tests. 

maybe they do better at the book work (not scientifically proven or accurate)

But it’s individual on every level. IQ isn’t a measure of success in 99% of cases and it doesn’t take a high IQ to be a pilot. Only a bit of structured studying which anyone at any IQ level can do. 
 

aging is also individualized and accelerated cognitive decline becomes most apparent in or around the late 60s on average. 

 I’ll make this easy, 

 
 So easy a self proclaimed intellectual can even figure it out 

 

1 yes a IQ of 80 will get their PPL

 

2 no a IQ of 80 will NOT get their PPL

[N201MKTurbo]

Perseverance can triumph over inelegance every time.