N201MKTurbo Posted February 16, 2021 Report Posted February 16, 2021 28 minutes ago, aviatoreb said: Yes - I am a fan boy. I will be shocked if we are flying "gasoline" powered airplanes in 50 years. Something else is coming. What will it be? No one can say for sure. I find it very credible that electric will continue to improve - dramatically. If someone told 1850-man that we would make small metallic devices where small explosions would drive a piston up and down - and generate 1000hp and more, just 100 years later. Or showed the wright brothers a WWII massive radial engine, or a turbine engine of just a few years after that give all they had was a tiny home made engine. Something is coming. What are we to do. Not work on it and not improve every and all reasonable tech until then? Or just wait wait wait until one day, magically, the right tech suddenly comes ready to go, fully formed? whatever it might be. Thousands and thousands of engineers and scientists, trying every and all combination of many different directions of possibilities, in search of the next great thing, has been exactly what has given us always the next great thing, and why our tech is so fantastic today and keeps getting better and better. It is the infinite number of monkeys approach. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infinite_monkey_theorem I am just one such monkey. I’ll take that bet! The looser must buy lunch at the winners home drone. I’ll be 110, but I’ll get the Mooney there one way or another. You in? 1 2 Quote
carusoam Posted February 16, 2021 Report Posted February 16, 2021 Rich, I’m glad you did the math... Some people have said they don’t want to live that long... I’ve got news... I want to be there with you guys... We have never been able to judge the future based on looking back at the past 50years... We did learn a lot of what to avoid going forwards... In the 70s we talked about magical carburetors that would get 50mpg... expected that to take a century... All it took was a decent computer controlled fuel injection system and some curvy equi-length intake tubes... In the 80s people would say, I don’t own a computer... I will never need one... that guy now carries a Samsung in his pocket every where he goes... Something about Steve Jobs and limiting access to video file technology... If you don’t like the world today... wait a month... it will be significantly different then... The cool thing... Learning the laws of physics... is hard... but, it is worth doing once, because they never change... Embrace change! (?) PP thoughts about the future only, not much of a forward looking person... Best regards, -a- 1 Quote
N201MKTurbo Posted February 16, 2021 Report Posted February 16, 2021 Just now, carusoam said: Rich, I’m glad you did the math... Some people have said they don’t want to live that long... I’ve got news... I want to be there with you guys... We have never been able to judge the future based on looking back at the past 50years... In the 70s we talked about magical carburetors that would get 50mpg... expected that to take a century... All it took was a decent computer controlled fuel injection system and some curvy equi-length intake tubes... In the 80s people would say, I don’t own a computer... I will never need one... that guy carries a Samsung in his pocket every where he goes... Something about Steve Jobs and limiting access to video file technology... If you don’t like the world today... wait a month... it will be significantly different then... The cool thing... Learning the laws of physics... is hard... but, it is worth doing once, because they never change... Embrace change! (?) PP thoughts about the future only, not much of a forward looking person... Best regards, -a- If you are there, I’ll buy you lunch too. (even though @aviatoreb should be buying) 1 1 Quote
aviatoreb Posted February 16, 2021 Report Posted February 16, 2021 39 minutes ago, N201MKTurbo said: I’ll take that bet! The looser must buy lunch at the winners home drone. I’ll be 110, but I’ll get the Mooney there one way or another. You in? Deal! I'll be younger, 103, so I will do the flying - in whatever I am sporting then. Unfortunately, it is just as likely to be an autonomous flying uber-thing. But I am sure we will still be eating hamburgers in 50 years. (Gulp - we can agree on that right?), and you 110 and me 103, we can enjoy a couple of hamburgers - fries and ketchup. Quote
N201MKTurbo Posted February 16, 2021 Report Posted February 16, 2021 (edited) Just now, aviatoreb said: Deal! I'll be younger, 103, so I will do the flying - in whatever I am sporting then. Unfortunately, it is just as likely to be an autonomous flying uber-thing. But I am sure we will still be eating hamburgers in 50 years. (Gulp - we can agree on that right?), and you 110 and me 103, we can enjoy a couple of hamburgers - fries and ketchup. I’ll race you to the end of the runway you young whipper snappers..... Edited February 16, 2021 by N201MKTurbo 1 Quote
aviatoreb Posted February 16, 2021 Report Posted February 16, 2021 1 minute ago, N201MKTurbo said: I’ll race you to the end of the runway you young whipper snappers..... You and me in 50 years racing old-men on Segways? I'll take that race. Quote
N201MKTurbo Posted February 16, 2021 Report Posted February 16, 2021 Just now, aviatoreb said: You and me in 50 years racing old-men on Segways? I'll take that race. Screw the Segway’s, on foot! Quote
aviatoreb Posted February 16, 2021 Report Posted February 16, 2021 Just now, N201MKTurbo said: Screw the Segway’s, on foot! How about bicycles? This guy is my hero. He broke the world "hour record" when he turned 100. (No one had ever tried before that). Then he broke the 105 year old record 5 years later. He's holding on for the 110 year old record. https://www.velonews.com/news/105-year-old-frenchman-sets-hour-record/ I am planning to take those records. gasp in my wake old man. 1 1 Quote
carusoam Posted February 16, 2021 Report Posted February 16, 2021 Cue the video... 100 year old guys flying Mooneys... We have one already... Might I offer you the chicken sandwich..? It keeps the cholesterol a bit lower... -a- 1 Quote
N201MKTurbo Posted February 16, 2021 Report Posted February 16, 2021 1 minute ago, aviatoreb said: How about bicycles? This guy is my hero. He broke the world "hour record" when he turned 100. (No one had ever tried before that). Then he broke the 105 year old record 5 years later. He's holding on for the 110 year old record. https://www.velonews.com/news/105-year-old-frenchman-sets-hour-record/ I am planning to take those records. gasp in my wake old man. Eat my dust..... 1 Quote
aviatoreb Posted February 16, 2021 Report Posted February 16, 2021 Just now, N201MKTurbo said: Eat my dust..... How about we just eat hamburgers. And fries. I've penciled you into my calendar. Feb 15, 2071. Is 2pm ok? Quote
N201MKTurbo Posted February 16, 2021 Report Posted February 16, 2021 Just now, aviatoreb said: How about we just eat hamburgers. And fries. I've penciled you into my calendar. Feb 15, 2071. Is 2pm ok? You will be here! 1 Quote
MikeOH Posted February 16, 2021 Report Posted February 16, 2021 1 hour ago, aviatoreb said: Yes - I am a fan boy. I will be shocked if we are flying "gasoline" powered airplanes in 50 years. Something else is coming. What will it be? No one can say for sure. I find it very credible that electric will continue to improve - dramatically. If someone told 1850-man that we would make small metallic devices where small explosions would drive a piston up and down - and generate 1000hp and more, just 100 years later. Or showed the wright brothers a WWII massive radial engine, or a turbine engine of just a few years after that give all they had was a tiny home made engine. Something is coming. What are we to do. Not work on it and not improve every and all reasonable tech until then? Or just wait wait wait until one day, magically, the right tech suddenly comes ready to go, fully formed? whatever it might be. Thousands and thousands of engineers and scientists, trying every and all combination of many different directions of possibilities, in search of the next great thing, has been exactly what has given us always the next great thing, and why our tech is so fantastic today and keeps getting better and better. It is the infinite number of monkeys approach. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infinite_monkey_theorem I am just one such monkey. I saw this same argument, it's a REALLY popular one: "Something is coming!"....wait for it....in 1970, FIFTY years ago Quote
N201MKTurbo Posted February 16, 2021 Report Posted February 16, 2021 Just now, MikeOH said: I saw this same argument, it's a REALLY popular one: "Something is coming!"....wait for it....in 1970, FIFTY years ago Com on man! Giant MooneySpace party KCHD 2071! 1 Quote
aviatoreb Posted February 16, 2021 Report Posted February 16, 2021 3 minutes ago, MikeOH said: I saw this same argument, it's a REALLY popular one: "Something is coming!"....wait for it....in 1970, FIFTY years ago Are you saying nothing will ever come - ever? In 50 years? In a 100 years? In a thousand years? Man kind will be flying around in Lycoming and Continental engined airplanes burning avgas? Surely at some point something comes? Even the horse and buggy and wooden wheels - as good as they were are mostly out of service (that said - there are Amish living and commuting in this rural county). Anyway the greeks and romans used this technology and mostly it is obsolete today. But only recently. I cannot say when, but I am supremely confident, that eventually something significantly different comes. I am guessing 50 years as a bet, but that eventually something comes... Quote
Hank Posted February 16, 2021 Report Posted February 16, 2021 24 minutes ago, aviatoreb said: Deal! I'll be younger, 103, so I will do the flying - in whatever I am sporting then. I'll be the unbiased, 108-year old timekeeper. Gentlemen, Start your wheelchairs! You'll have to do a full lap around something long enough to give me time to change the green flag for a checkered one . . . . I've been a slow walker since at least high school. 2 Quote
MikeOH Posted February 16, 2021 Report Posted February 16, 2021 3 minutes ago, N201MKTurbo said: Com on man! Giant MooneySpace party KCHD 2071! Ok, but can we make it 10 am? I may not live past noon! 2 Quote
N201MKTurbo Posted February 16, 2021 Report Posted February 16, 2021 Just now, aviatoreb said: Are you saying nothing will ever come - ever? In 50 years? In a 100 years? In a thousand years? Man kind will be flying around in Lycoming and Continental engined airplanes burning avgas? Surely at some point something comes? Even the horse and buggy and wooden wheels - as good as they were are mostly out of service (that said - there are Amish living and commuting in this rural county). I cannot say when, but I am supremely confident, that eventually something significantly different comes. I am guessing 50 years as a bet, but that eventually something comes... have you ever considered that we are at the peak, and that it will be down hill from here? Technology and human ingenuity are unlimited, but resources are finite, where does that leave us? It reminds me of an old Arab proverb, My grandfather rode a camel My father rode in a fine car I ride in a jet My grand children will ride a camel 2 Quote
aviatoreb Posted February 16, 2021 Report Posted February 16, 2021 1 minute ago, MikeOH said: Ok, but can we make it 10 am? I may not live past noon! Ok, with you, and Hank, that's 4 hamburgers. Feb 15, 2071. But I'm not a morning person. If you want your hamburger, you just need to make it to 2. 1 Quote
aviatoreb Posted February 16, 2021 Report Posted February 16, 2021 Just now, N201MKTurbo said: have you ever considered that we are at the peak, and that it will be down hill from here? Technology and human ingenuity are unlimited, but resources are finite, where does that leave us? It reminds me of an old Arab proverb, My grandfather rode a camel My father rode in a fine car I ride in a jet My grand children will ride a camel Sadly, that is exactly right and a distinct possibility. Optimistically I choose to ignore it. Otherwise, in 50 years we can all race camels to the hamburger joint. Now I have to decide - do I want a one hump or a two hump camel? 1 Quote
Blue on Top Posted February 16, 2021 Report Posted February 16, 2021 In 50 years, when I am 106, they will have perfected and stopped the aging process. I am living forever. So, you old men, have your wheel chair race around the fully-electric Mooney on the ramp so that -a- has time to change the flags from green to checkered. Then get the he// out of the way because I'm starting up my electric Mooney and taking off! 2 2 Quote
Hank Posted February 16, 2021 Report Posted February 16, 2021 5 minutes ago, Blue on Top said: In 50 years, when I am 106, they will have perfected and stopped the aging process. I am living forever. So, you old men, have your wheel chair race around the fully-electric Mooney on the ramp so that -a- has time to change the flags from green to checkered. Then get the he// out of the way because I'm starting up my electric Mooney and taking off! Enjoy your 30-minute flight, followed by 45 minutes of recharging for the next 30-minute flight. And yes, that's allowing for a half century of progress. 2 Quote
Blue on Top Posted February 16, 2021 Report Posted February 16, 2021 Just now, Hank said: Enjoy your 30-minute flight, followed by 45 minutes of recharging for the next 30-minute flight. And yes, that's allowing for a half century of progress. MooneySpace is sooooooo much cooler than BeechTalk. I better stop there , but I'm running our of emotions here. I'm just so emotional, Baby. What an a terrible, conflicted person I am - a Type A, emotional enginerd. Can it get any worse? 1 1 Quote
aviatoreb Posted February 16, 2021 Report Posted February 16, 2021 15 minutes ago, Hank said: Enjoy your 30-minute flight, followed by 45 minutes of recharging for the next 30-minute flight. And yes, that's allowing for a half century of progress. By 2071 the electric Mooney will have one million hour endurance and recharge off of recycled bee pollen dust but unfortunately for men over 100, still no on board potty. can we invite mr Monroy to the 71’ party? 1 Quote
aviatoreb Posted February 16, 2021 Report Posted February 16, 2021 9 minutes ago, Blue on Top said: MooneySpace is sooooooo much cooler than BeechTalk. I better stop there , but I'm running our of emotions here. I'm just so emotional, Baby. What an a terrible, conflicted person I am - a Type A, emotional enginerd. Can it get any worse? I’m a type B emotional enginerd. 1 Quote
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