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They had a QRC code to permit you to vote on your airframe at OSH. Realistically brands P and C crush us in numbers so they'll be first targets as total addressable market is much greater and they are still being produced. I have also been watching this and at 380 lbs and up to 230HP this is a very viable package that solves a lot of problems for many people. Now to get them certified and in production! I wish them all the best; were they doing it, I would convert my J to an experimental. It will perform better than an IO360, does away with 100LL, a longer TBO will almost certainly result, and diesels are much more reliable. Sadly, the rep I spoke to said they are focusing on OEMs.

Was a partner in a small firm and flew myself all the time, when we merged into a larger one it was “no small aircraft.” I just submitted mileage and never heard a peep. I did NOT tell anyone anything or have some “side deal” with someone who could be replaced or overruled anyway or deny it, and definitely do not lie about it. As long as you get there on your own, they owe you the mileage as you got there somehow. I would not lie about it though for sure. It was “don’t ask, don’t tell.”

Yes Mike, many new owners want to knock out the insurance-required 5 or 10 hours on the “new to me” cross-country ferry bringing the new airplane home. This works against actually learning how to fly your new bird and handle cross-wind, bounced landings, and other scenarios. Personally, I always try to incorporate a cabin door unlatch on every checkout I do, as it’s something likely to happen to a new Mooney owner at some point in their pleasure flying. I want them to experience it with a CFI in the right seat. As others have noted, it’s a non-event. And knowing your aircraft’s “gaits” (power+pitch=performance) helps alleviate whatever weird indications one may get. Personally I’ve never seen a 10-KT diff in IAS from a cabin door — but l would be working with my tech to troubleshoot if I did. This is sad, and avoidable. Let’s work to prevent future incidents.

Hi! I’m based in VNY, will be happy to pick up whatever you’ve got. Thanks! reach me anytime @n9201a@gmail.com Larry Brennan Mooney CFI-IA Mooney Caravan Lead 2017 201 N9201A (since 1998)

He’s already proven he’s a liar…

Thank you for sharing this, seems prudent to check with the manufacturer before buying used avionics. Hope you can recover your $ from the seller, as the emails imply someone who had the unit before you knew it was not serviceable/airworthy.

Although this may be true with boats, I can’t think of an airplane owner l know who was actually happy to part with their bird. Glad you’re replacing it with another terrific machine, and staying flying!

I apologize if I have offended you, my comment was an (apparently) unsuccessful attempt to be witty. Numerous people who admit they know nothing about formation flying nevertheless decide they can attack the integrity of pilots and passengers who escaped a very grave situation and an organization composed of many fine volunteers who devote countless hours every year promoting safety and continually improving processes and procedures so that many people here can enjoy a common experience. So getting one's hackles up is unsurprising, but if I offended you, that was certainly not my intent. Whether you care or not, the "lesson learned" are public and are still available to you -- and anyone else who cares to invest the time to understand them.

In fact an immediate benefit of form flying is getting lots of great pics of your bird. But one doesn’t have to fly with the Caravan to OSH to try form flying. In fact, most people who regularly fly form locally do not get to the OSH flight. A clinic is just one way to try it. Find some qualified formators (Caravan, B2Osh, credentialed FFI, FAST, etc.) near you and work out a flight with them. PM me or look on the Caravan site for resources, or contact a leader of one of the organizations in your area. It’s a lot of fun and addictive. The form community is welcoming and offers robust camaraderie as well. And it’s essential for aerial photography, as you point out.

Sorry, was looking for reasoned discourse. Wrong room, sorry to have troubled you.

Perhaps I am not being clear. All of my remarks refer to the actual incident, not "talking about" the incident. Everyone you cited - those in the flight, at OSH, or like you, valued MooneySpace readers -- don't have any information about the incident except what has been posted/published or what they could see *after* the incident (the aircraft) or learn second-hand. Now, if your issue is "talking about" the incident, or "how the event was handled at the time (OSH?), it WASN'T "handled at the time." Responsible organizations (like the NTSB and, in this case, the Caravan) investigate and discover facts, analyze them, and then act. That is exactly what happened here. While some may have disagreed with that approach, it has been vindicated. This incident does not involve something where there was a "hack" or "fix" to a technical issue on an aircraft that could be shared. And the very public information that was and is being shared, and will also continue to be shared, you need only read the website, come to a clinic, or come to a presentation to learn. That includes information directly from incident witnesses and participants, not second hand speculation or scuttlebutt. The Caravan is a volunteer, charitable organization without shareholders or paid membership. It is open to all and completely transparent to its participants. Those pilots, many of whom are MooneySpacers, do not seem to be on MooneySpace complaining that they have not been given information and are entitled to it here, now, when they want it. That no one has personally explained to you everything that was learned is a disappointment with which you will have to live, just like the Caravan will apparently have to bear the burden of your disapproval.

You still don’t know how this was “handled.” Nor has any interest in learning been demonstrated. Your issue seems to be that no one has shared with *you*. That perhaps your opinion didn’t factor into decision-making doesn’t make for bad decision making, whatever you may think.

Actually I’ve made no assumption. Who said MS is the “sole depository of information”? In fact, with respect to this incident, it’s not a depository of any information as l understand that word. But there certainly is plenty of speculation, rumor, and a few (hopefully soon-to-be-corrected/retracted) outright falsehoods. As far as people who “were there,” hundreds of thousands of people were at Oshkosh. Anyone who walked by the North 40 could see the involved aircraft...and would have the same information about the incident as just about anyone else. The pilots who were “there” — meaning the incident, not the North 40 — would be limited to those who actually saw it. And none of them have posted what they saw here. So anything someone thinks they “know,” think again. That someone expressed their opinion in writing validates it not a whit ... the postings here evidence that. I can write or “assess” that Amelia Earhart secretly lived a long life as a fortune teller in Lahaina, and that’s as valid a “written assessment” as has been done here. As I wrote elsewhere, an actual causal analysis using NTSB methodology has been done and will continue to be shared with Caravaners who are interested. The organization has strengthened procedures and taken other steps to enhance safety, and has acted responsibly. Caravaners who’ve participated in that discussion have commented favorably, and so far (COVID having intervened) the revised processes (which are published on the site yet remain mostly unread, judging from some of these postings) seem to be well-received. As for anyone who wants to speculate, it’s a free country. Likewise, anyone can have an opinion about formation flying, mass arrivals, the Caravan, or NTSB reporting. That one knows nothing about something shouldn’t deter an expression of expertise or opinion, that’s the American way! But no one should intimate some “knowledge” or “information” beyond what’s reported by the NTSB. And certainly outright falsehoods are wrong, and consequential.

As an outside observer, it would be difficult to assess anything except what’s posted here. So that’s understandable. Posting to social media is not a viable safety management strategy. The Caravan has implemented significant additional internal processes and safeguards to enhance safety at future events, not just the mass arrival flight. Participants are using them now, and future participants will be aware of them. In addition we have a specific presentation “Ruminations of a Midair Survivor” that has been presented at clinics. It is a detailed analysis using the Reason model and NTSB methodology as well as group discussion that has been well-received. If you’re at OSH, look for it. It’ll be presented there and announced here too. And for those who are interested, come out and fly with us.

https://www.mooneycaravan.com/web/Mooney/Pages/Safety/2019.asp?Zr07Pyvpx=FDEM%20V0pvqr06%20f6n6rzr06&Zr07TPyvpx=fnsr6B Blue, don’t worry, this is MooneySpace. Like most online forums (fora?), knowing nothing about a particular issue shouldn’t prevent you from opining on it, plenty of others have! [emoji12]

Witnesses reported fog and very low vis when they heard the engine stop...did the chute affect the decision to fly above/in zero/zero weather in which a safe emergency landing was unlikely? The fire department took five hours to extract to plane’s occupants. The plane came to rest seventy-five (!) feet AGL, in the trees. How terrifying would that be, to survive a chute pull descent from cruise, to end up suspended seven stories above the ground? Maybe they need to equip the cabin with an escape rope to enable a rappel to the ground?

Not clear on the rules but each camper registers and gets a decal for their “camping unit.” It is policed because they’ll leave a note if you’ve a camping unit without a proof of registration (one year registered and went right into the fairgrounds and didn’t put my sticker on until I returned that evening). I don’t know how many tents are permitted per “spot.” But it’s probably on the EAA website, I’m sure others know.

John, when you meet Flash you’re meeting a guy who has really used his Mooney. Not many of us have crossed the Atlantic and he’s done it TWICE! (You have to get back, right?).

There was a beautiful privately owned one parked near Signature at Oakland off of 28R for a good chunk of 2019-20. I’ve lost sight of it but appeared to be airworthy and was registered. I remember seeing Mario Andretti’s at LGB back when he was racing there in the late ‘80s.

And I’ve heard that slogan somewhere, it sounds familiar, and usually not from the group I described above. But I’m good with folks doing whatever they want (1) so long as they accept consequences and (2) until/unless their conduct needlessly/thoughtlessly endangers others. My speeding car example is probably inapposite, but no helmet? Hard to argue with that, have at. Just don’t pull a Gary Busey and start lobbying for foam rubber curbs ... Still Not Mad

Who’s mad? I wrote I’m getting free real-world buffoonery and re-proving Darwin. I’m laughing my ass off at it...

I hadn’t heard that about your previous bird, that’s a shame to lose a nice early Mooney. Especially a sneaky fast one.

I’m sure there will be room...when the Bos didn’t make it in 2019, we had some Beech brethren among us. Once a Caravaner, you’re welcome despite switching planes...but the North40 Camping Police may have their own view.

Yes, it’s a hoax, don’t get a vaccine, don’t wear a mask. Smoke as much as possible, chew too, and never wear a seat belt. Try to speed always, and remember—motorcycle helmets are for wimps! Always keep your gun loaded, gun safety is for commie pinkos who want to take your guns away! Try to handle them while drinking, it’s American and very patriotic. Darwin prevails, again.