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Thanks Dave, I really do miss that bird.

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As I searched Mooney pictures for paint ideas I found this one. The tail treatment gives a little more "motion" to the look than your choice. The total tail paint on the Ovation looks too heavy to me. This scheme is kind of in between the two you showed and I like it. When I painted my Rocket years ago no one was using curved lines. I really like the new curved lines. The one on the left looks like a modern and fresh update of my old Rocket.

I think landing a Missile on grass is a poor decision. The extra weight out front cuts the margin for safety. Plus the cost of repairs will be higher in the Missile than it would be in a 4 cyl Mooney. I had grass stains on the propeller just from taxiing at Oshkosh. I also had a prop strike on a Rocket while following a lineman into the grass at an airshow. Directed me right in to a gofer hole. If they want me off the pavement I shut down and walk it before risking damage. The upside is so small and the downside is so long and expensive. Think of the hassle. Stuck on a strip with no services. No way home. Embarrassing call to the insurance company. Get a AP to drive out and get the prop off, wait for it to get fixed. Then he drives back to put it on just so you can ferry it to where they can then pull the engine for a tear-down. 2 months minimum. For the first month the plane sits in the mud/rain/snow/hail while you wait for the prop. Forget the macho BS. 360 cubic inch Mooneys make questionable off pavement airplanes 520+ cubic inches make them even worse. I am not saying it can't be done. With proper technique and no surprises odds are in your favor. But when one gofer can ruin your day why risk it.

Quote: Becca #1 I personally think its fair to raise the social security retirement age to stabilize the expenditures. #2 I'd even be in favor of people who make over a certain income not being eligible for social security payments (does Warren Buffet really need to get a social security check?) #3 But eliminating it? One has to look back at our history prior to social security to see what the end result of that would be.

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The fallacy is that corporations pay tax at all. No corporation still in business ever paid any tax. ALL taxes supposedly paid by corporations are simply MARKED UP and passed on to the consumer. The public pays MORE in the long run for every dollar taxed to a corporation. It is just a simple way of conning the stupid masses. The more the government can hide how they get your money the more they can take. It is like the matching payment of FICA by your employer. That payment comes out of the funds available to pay you. The only people that ever pay any tax are the end consumer. What we need to do is spread the tax burden over everyone. No more 47% of the people paying no taxes, and I don't mean the rich either. Make every tax transparent to the taxpayer and we would all scream to stop it. Every step in the chain is taxed. When the raw materials come out of the ground there is a tax. As the material is shipped there are more taxes. The company that refines the raw materials pays a tax. When the refined material is shipped to the manufacturer the government get another cut. All these taxes all along the line add up to more than you could imagine. I would not be surprised if when added all up the governments at all levels end up consuming over half the economic output of our country. We need less government. End the nanny state. At the state level we are getting trained. The things we want from government they underfund on purpose so we will vote ourselves a new tax. Look at how your schools are funded. Look at how the roads are funded. These are things we see and want. The state legislatures and governors TELL us they are out of money and (unfortunatly) they must raise the taxes to save the stuff we want. That way they can invent more things for us to "need" from them. We keep voting the the mill levy increases but the school "crisis" never goes away. Fool us once shame on you, fool us 28 times shame on US. Government is truly the growth business in our economy. Scary huh.

Quote: Jimhamilton At higher altitudes the oil temp can get a little high. Still in the green but a needle and a half from the red line. What I have done is open the cowl flap to the mid position. Is that normal? Before it was converted to a Rocket My 1980 231 had the same issue with oil temp. The oiltemp was the defacto power limiting gauge. Pushed hard it was the first gauge to go over. The Oil Pressure gauge was an important part of the scan. Low oil level affects oil temps.

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Quote: Parker_Woodruff I just use mine cause they look cool. There's not much advantage below about 120 knots or so. Just remember to put them down before you turn off the master. That clang is embarrassing and kills the cool.

I set the plane up for a take off on approach. Makes the transition to a go around a non event. Later Mooneys have an extra position on the flap switch that allows you to go to take off position without looking at the indicator. On my plane you have to watch the needle come up to get it where you want it. Something you dont have time for on a go around. Untill I am sure there will be no go around I don't add more flaps. Both in the pattern and on an instrument aproach I go to take off flaps as I drop the gear. Only one spot to retrim/reconfigure the plane. One of the highest workload events while flying is the go around. To try and find take off flaps at that point takes too much attention in my plane. Keep that transition as smooth as possible, it is one of the most dangerous points while flying. With take off flaps and close to takeoff trim the go around is barely more than push the throttle and pull up the gear.

No reason not to use them. Once out they can stay out till safely on the ground doing the after landing checklist. They are small to allow certification for two reasons. #1 asymmetrical deployment cannot cause control issues. #2 MUST be able to climb properly on a missed approach if left out. I used them a lot on my Rocket. Only way to get down in some conditions. They help cover for poor decent planning by you or MOSTLY by center. They really don't make a lot of difference at pattern speeds. The Rocket bumps up against VNE when descending 45% and 500 FPM. To come down any faster you must slow way down or deploy speed brakes. There are 2 places where I used them a lot VFR eastbound into Denver you must lose altitude quickly to stay under the class B after clearing the mountains and IFR inbound over LARKS intersection. Center plans your decent assuming DIA then slam dunks you into APA. To pull them in in the pattern is not needed. They do help smooth the landings.

I just bought a lot on Pegasus Airpark (5AZ3) in Queen Creek in the SE corner of the Phoenix metro area. Lots that were over $300k are now about $100k. With the crash in prices in Phoenix real estate now is the time to buy. I am considering buying a $45000 house in the area to live in while I build. Right now a 1000-1200 square foot 5 or so year old house within 5 miles of Pegasus can be found easily. Does get HOT in the summertime. I plan on being a snowbird.

When I sold my last plane it went to california. The buyer took delivery and kept it in Nevada for 90 days to avoid taxes. Moving into the state should not incur use tax I believe. Other than sales/use tax on purchase Colorado has no property taxes city, county or state.

It appears that the Garmin business model is designed to extract as much profit from each sale as possible. The data updates they sell are just repackaged data the government supplies free. All they do is reformat it and gouge like hell. The incremental improvements incorporated in the latest and greatest is hoped to be just enough to spur sales. They have only themselves for competition and know it. Flip side is great service and well made products. I sent in a 296 two years ago because it would not work on batteries, otherwise it worked great. It was sent in without batteries or an antennae. It came back with the internal connection fixed, the software updated, a new antennae, the latest database and fresh batteries. No Charge! I only paid postage to them they returned it with NO bill at all. Kind of a love /hate relationship. I love their stuff I hate the way they sell it.

Quote: allsmiles In all honesty NO. I will never purchase a Missile or a Rocket. I don't believe on modified airplanes. Especially Mooneys. I'm of the opinion they detract from the inherent value of an excellent stock airplane. This goes with most all modifications with the exception a very few such as redoing the interior and some avionics, SOME avionics upgrades. The best Mooney ever imhp is the stock J. Period.

Thanks George I did try to price aggressively.

Goes with a broker within 2 weeks so if any interest before PM me. Thanks Randy

Don't buy less than you need (want) or you will be disappointed. As a former Rocket owner and after five years without a plane I chose a J. I chose it for all the right reasons. It was to be all I needed as I head into retirement. Problem is I MISS the Rocket too much to enjoy all the good points in the J. I hope this is ONLY a $10,000.00 mistake. It is listed here and will be with a broker soon. As for cost the Rocket and the 231/252 engine cost about the same at O/H, $30,00 per hour for the engines is appropriate. The Rocket is more likely to reach 1800 hours than the stock Ks. And it will go much further in that time. 64,000 miles further. That is like 375 hours further. A 231 gets 170 knots on 14 gal a rocket gets 200 knots on 20 gal. At $5.00 per gallon that is $130 an hour for the Rocket and $100 for the K. $.65 per mile for the Rocket vs $0.59 per mile for the Ks. The J will go 145 knots on 9 gal in my experience. The engine will make 2000 hours and the reserve per hour would be half the turbos at $15.00. $60 per hour total to go 145 knots or about $0.41 per mile. Maintenance on the Rocket will be slightly less than the 231 while the J will be the least of all. Though these differences are not as big as some believe. Most systems are Identical on the 3 versions and avionics are your choice and not related to airframe. Direct operating costs per mile .41 (J) .59 (K) and .65 (Rocket) Annuals / maintenance similar for all three. (80% J, 100% Rocket, 110% K) budget $5000 per year for each and you will be safe. Storage is based on your field costs and will be the same for all. $2,700.00 for a shelter at APA. Insurance is based on the declared value of the airframe and your experience, $2,300.00 should cover most. As you can see $10,000 to $12,000 per year plus gas and reserve to own a Mooney. This ignores acquisition costs and assumes the plane is paid for. The lost income from a $100,000 plus asset could also be added vs financing costs. If my broker could get me 10% on the $125,000 and I fly 100 hours my final cost to fly is about $30,000 to $35,000 per year. The cost difference per year to go from J to a Rocket is only $6500 of that total. The real final cost is about 20% more for the turbos figured this way.

Google image N17NS a bunch of pictures show up

NO! NO! NO! NO! 10 to 20 min old info is not as valuable as the real thing. There must be a better place to put the AI if you want one.

Super Glue (cyanoacrylate) are way to brittle for this use and would contaminate the area for a good repair. Epoxy / fiberglass cloth is a good way to fix them. Removing and repairing from the inside would look much better than trying to finish from the outside.