Roger O

Wow! and I live so close to you (KXDR)... If only I was born rich instead of handsome! Good luck with the sale, I'm sure it won't last long. Roger

Can never have enough heat shrink tubing, and at $5.49 delivered, it's a no brainer! Thanks mcrouch. Roger

Wonder how many actually made the connection? Great number. Live Long and Prosper Jim!

Do you have the link? Thanks!, Roger

Years ago, I put the thick windshield on my C myself, with A&P supervision. It really was not a big deal, and took the better part of a day. The results were great, and the windshield looked fantastic. I too went with the solar grey. Did it decrease noise, I didn't notice a big difference.

Interesting discussion. I wonder what the Mooney gurus like Don Maxwell recommend and why? Roger

Don't the seats belong INSIDE the plane, or is this a new look (picture 4) ? Just kidding! Beautiful plane, good luck with the sale!

Congratulations! Nice looking plane. I had covers on my C made by Bruce, and they were great. Never a problem, and kept everything nice and clean and cool!

I'd prefer electric, but for that "special" plane, I'll consider all. Thanks!

JR, I check the commercial listings daily, however I would much rather get a "well loved" plane from a MS member. Not only am I reasonably assured that the plane is what it is advertised to be, but that it has been well cared for and I, in turn, will be giving it a good home!

I guess the title of this thread should be changed to "How NOT to sell a Mooney" ! On a continued note, I am still looking folks. If you know or have an M20 C, E or F (or that older J) that is in ready to fly shape, doesn't have to have a glass cockpit, but I would like IFR instrumentation, electric gear and a 2 axis A/P, I'm very much still in the market. For those who don't know me, I am 65 years young, have been flying since 1976, and have owned a Model C. My mission is local flying and that occasional cross country with my wife. Thanks! Roger

At least we both like the number 18. For me it means Life!

Thank you for that. This seems like the best way of preserving the logs in case of a disaster, making it easy for an IA/A&P to quickly scan them. The bonus is when you sell, all the info is readily available.

Godfather, as it turns out, I asked a reputable MS member and long time poster about "outing the seller", and he said that it's not an issue as long as it's not done in a nasty or malicious way, and might actually be helpful to both of us. As it turns out the seller only posted in one thread, and has not been active. As far as the logs, his statement to me was "I have all the log books but in order for me to send you all the those it would take 6 hours , to be honest I know what I have and the 45k isn't worth me waisting all my time". By his own admission he is 25 years old, and we all know that at age 25 you know everything about anything, and no one can tell you otherwise. This might ultimately be an ok plane, but before I can take her to Don Maxwell and spend some serious money for a thorough PPI, I need some basic information. Info that he is unwilling to share. I'm going to pass on this one. Thanks for your opinion and suggestions!

Thanks again guys. I think I will go with the consensus and move on...

Tom, we sometimes send our patients to their physician for a medical clearance before procedures to eliminate any obvious health risk, same as the FAA is doing with BasicMed. It doesn't guarantee anything, it just rules out the obvious. For example, there are certain types of cardiac valve defects that can cause serious consequences to the patient if they are not given antibiotics prior to the dental procedure. It is the physician who can perform the necessary testing to determine if this premedication is necessary, not the dentist. By the way, my name is ROGR (it's my signature beneath the post), my login name is Sherman18.

Ok, so the saga continues. I found a '65 E for sale from one of our members (Calib18) who has an ad on Barnstormers; (http://www.barnstormers.com/classified_1245663_1965+Mooney+M20E.html). He has had the plane less than a year, and is selling because he is buying a twin Commanche. I asked him for detailed info, and referred me to his A&P. I spoke with the A&P who said he would do some research in the logs about my questions, but to please put them in writing in an email. I did so, and here's what I asked: - Any damage history, when, how extensive, what was done, and who did it. - Any 337's and for what. - When were the tanks resealed, with what method and material and who did it. - Any noted corrosion, was an anti-corrosion treatment applied and when. - Condition of gear donuts, and if replaced, when. - Are all Ad's complied with. - Current useful load. - Last annual done and by who. - When is IFR certification due. - When was the engine overhauled, and by who. - Overall condition of the plan, exterior and interior. Does anything need immediate replacement. - Is the airplane in airworthy condition. The A&P's response is as follows: "I dont think this is the plane your looking for at 40000 dollars. Theres to many questions that i cant answer. I can see where the belly pans were repaired engine was overhauld and prop replaced but no documentation of damage". Then I spoke with the owner about the response from the A&P and he said: "As far as gear up landing , there is no long entry , I was told the new prop was installed with new engine , I literally just landed her after flying 2 hours , Ronnie hasn't flown it because just between us it's the short body and he's about 275 pounds , kinda like a square peg in a round hole , the plane is in really good shape , for Gods sake it's a 1965 most people born that year are dead lol , all the avionics work , everything works , to make the plane a 65,000 it needs a 430w and a alt hold installed from Britain , I don't think you could go anywhere in America and find a plane like I have for 45k ragged out 172s sale for what I'm asking , the reason I'm selling is because I have a twin , the engine has less than 300hrs on it. I have all the log books but in order for me to send you all the those it would take 6 hours , to be honest I know what I have and the 45k isn't worth me waisting all my time , I'm not being rude but we are talking about 45k not 300,000 , I can send you all the pics videos of it running flying Ect , bring anyone under the sun with you when you come , it's a clean as hell 1965 mooney m20E that all but flys it's self , I love her but I can't afford it and the twin I'm only 25 years old lol". So the question of the hour is, would you look at this further, or walk away? As always, I truly appreciate your comments and opinions! Roger

Beautiful plane! Good luck with the sale.

Cruiser, you are 100% correct in your statements. The liability is no more (possibly less) than doing a regular annual exam. If you get an exam that checks out ok, get in your car, have a massive coronary and die, is the MD that did the exam liable for damages to you or others? Hardly. That is life, and no one but God knows when it will end. As far as ANY health care practitioner signing off on an exam, that is highly doubtful, and I for one would love to see where it says that. As a licensed dentist, my state dental practice act only allows me to examine those parts of the body associated with my area of expertise. Doing a genital exam on a woman has been known to get many a dentist in big trouble!

"Always hangared" is a tough one for me, and actually leads me to question some of the other statements about the plane. This is a 40 plus year old aircraft. Unless there has only been one owner since new (not in this case!), who has been around for its lifetime to document that it has always been hangared? That plus the facts as noted from the others that it has had a hard life (lots of damage history), and the question of why so many owners in the past few years, leads me to not want this as a plane for me or my family, certainly not before a very thorough PPI and a significant reduction in price.

Thanks! Actually, I have abandoned this plane because of my many concerns. I am currently looking seriously at a '65 E. Will keep you posted.

By the way, I just got an email from the seller saying that I'd better be serious about the plane because 3 of my friends called to ask him questions about it for me... That would be you guys! I can't believe the well wishes, camaraderie and caring from all you for a fellow Mooney driver. MooneySpace is the best flying club anywhere!

Brian, really good point. The plane has changed hands enough times recently to lead me to ask what's going on. I also want to ask everyone once again if they have or know of a good c or e with electric gear and a 2 axis A/P for sale to please let me know by pm. Thanks again! Roger

As Paul said, if I buy the plane, Don Maxwell will do the PPI. I trust his knowledge and judgment, and am confident that his findings will be valid. Am waiting for more pics and the logs before I do anything else. Interesting, the seller said he has sold 3 planes to date, yet when I mentioned getting the plane to Texas for Maxwell, he seemed confused and didn't know how that would be accomplished...

If all of the repairs were done well, other than a discount in price, would you still buy this plane?