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Just keep in mind that the data in the Lycoming manual is for an engine on a test stand. The installed numbers are somewhat different because the airplane manufacturer designs the induction and exhaust systems, both of which reduce power output. This is why the numbers in the POH are generally different. POH's didn't exist before the mid 1970s when the General Aviation Manufacturers Association came up with a consensus standard. Prior to that, each manufacturer created some sort of owners manual that often had scant information and there was no consistency between manufacturers. If you want to play with the Lycoming data, there is an app: AircraftPower that makes it easy to try different combinations of variables.
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Cigarette Lighter socket as USB power source
LANCECASPER replied to PeterRus's topic in General Mooney Talk
Not really, for sure. That's a little like demanding that I tell you exactly what the weather will be tomorrow morning at 8:00 a.m. local time. I can give you a good probability, but there are too many variables to know for sure. How would someone know for sure, with absolute certainty, that what is in your individual airplane would work with the device unless they actually try it? Is your M20M an early serial number that had a 24v lighter socket or a later one that had it stepped down to 12v? Or has it been modified since it was built to another standard? Does your breaker still perform at the rated amperage or maybe not still after all of those years? Does heat play a factor, depending on where you place the Starlink, on how much amperage it will take, or does it "throttle down" if it gets too hot? And more variables I'm sure than what I can think of. The device I mentioned has worked for others, but since it is sold by Amazon you can see if it works for you and if it doesn't, return it. That is the only way to know for sure, just like checking the weather tomorrow at 8:00 a.m. is the only way for sure to know what it will be. -
You can make this as simple or complicated as you want. Simple: Full rich above 75% power. Below that, lean until it gets rough and then richen until it is smooth. Richer if CHTs get above 400 F in cruise. During climb, Lycoming allows up to 435 F. Cooler is better, but the few minutes of climb above 400 won't really hurt anything and some M20Cs are difficult to keep below 400 during climb.
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Lot’s of good information above… I’m also a fan of Mike Busch. I had confusion on how best to combine RPM, mixture, and fuel flow when I’m traveling, or just out donk’n around. The performance charts differ very significantly from the early vintage C/D POH supplement to the latest POH version of the mid-70s. Influence from marketing, I suspect. Basic advice from Lycoming in SI 1094D Mixture Leaning Procedures Then from the Lycoming operating manual… which is quite an eye chart… So, someone transposed that into a table… a little easier to read… (both of these are easily searched online for non-jpg versions).
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For me, the bottom line is to protect the engine -- in particular, the cylinder heads. LOP, ROP, red box, EGT, leaning for takeoff are all good discussions, but as you experiment with different settings and techniques, you will probably be okay if you keep all your CHTs below 380 or 390. And keep in mind that CHT is not an instantaneous reflection of throttle, prop, and mixture -- good idea to make small changes, and give your instruments some time to show a trend or settle into a steady state before further changes.
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Where is the “Ice Hole” on the Ovation breather tube??
GeeBee replied to William Munney's topic in Ovation Owners
The breather tube is close to the top of the filler neck. The funnel will get you past that and seal with the filler hole to the case. When you are making your funnel, wrap electrical tape around the flex tube before inserting it funnel to create a seal so the Flex Seal does not leak out the bottom as it cures. -
Another Screws Question - where to find?
Hank replied to Wapst's topic in Vintage Mooneys (pre-J models)
@Wapst, just take one of each screw, washer, nut, etc., that you want and fly or drive to Aircraft Spruce. They can identify them and sell you bulk quantities of each. -
Another Screws Question - where to find?
PT20J replied to Wapst's topic in Vintage Mooneys (pre-J models)
If you are looking for exterior screws, I'd be careful buying the kits. I've found wrong length screws in them and there are a few places where too long a screw can damage a control push-pull tube. It's not too hard to sit down with the IPC and make a list and order what you need. -
Comprehensive Leaning Guide?
Rick Junkin replied to oisiaa's topic in Vintage Mooneys (pre-J models)
@oisiaa I'm a fan of Mike Busch. Here are two comprehensive videos that should answer most of your questions and also prompt some thinking and more questions. -
Elevator bungee springs
cruiserflyer replied to cruiserflyer's topic in Vintage Mooneys (pre-J models)
I think just by feel, that there does not appear to be any resistance or spring pushback. I was honestly deferring to them, but I didn’t feel any slack or troubling feeling in the controls. From pushing gently up and down on the elevator the bolt moves all the way out and in. Since I am deferring to them I took it on faith that it must be wrong, but maybe it’s fine. My A&P has owned about a dozen Mooney’s so I just listen to them. The pics are of me pushing and pulling. -
Elevator bungee springs
N201MKTurbo replied to cruiserflyer's topic in Vintage Mooneys (pre-J models)
How did he determine the springs were weak? I don’t think there is a way to know that from the handling of the plane. Considering there is one for each elevator, which one is weak? The left or right? The springs can break. If you remove the bungee, they are easy to disassemble. If you do disassemble them, clean, repaint and grease them. They probably haven’t been serviced since they left the factory. -
Mooney Gear Actuator for sale.
anthonydesmet replied to Jeffreypaul's topic in Avionics / Parts Classifieds
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Cigarette Lighter socket as USB power source
Ragsf15e replied to PeterRus's topic in General Mooney Talk
As an aded bonus, you can test your CB! I tested my G5 in my F… circuit breaker worked as advertised! I ended up using a different power source. -
Mooney Gear.pdf Brand new Eton gear actuator for sale. Was a replacement for my 1989 252 which got sold. Purchased from Mooney Aircraft.
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Ragsf15e started following Comprehensive Leaning Guide?
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Just keep your chts below about 400 in climb and maybe 380 in cruise. After that you can work on fine tuning your technique. Maybe read about leaning in climb using target egt? maybe try cruise above ~7000’ and you’ll be faster and below 75% anyway.
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Where is the “Ice Hole” on the Ovation breather tube??
William Munney replied to William Munney's topic in Ovation Owners
I did see and ordered a thin funnel from amazon today. How far down the oil filler tube is the entrance to the breather tube?? -
Comprehensive Leaning Guide?
N201MKTurbo replied to oisiaa's topic in Vintage Mooneys (pre-J models)
I doubt you can get an O-360 to detonate no matter what you do. I would quit worrying about that. You will do better thinking about it in terms of your wallet. The worst thing you can do is forget to lean and it will cost you money. If you over lean, it will run rough as soon as you start to lose power. They don’t run LOP very well, so you will be running ROP. Your best bet is to keep an eye on your CHTs and richen up a bit if they get too hot, which probably won’t happen. -
Not always. It is automatic based on MAP/RPM and Fuel Flow and what has been entered into the configuration. I would compare it against the POH, go to an altitude specified in the POH like 7500ft (checking against density altitude to ensure that's the altitude the engine is really at). Set a 75% power setting, then see what the G3X reads-out.
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Oh man, that's a highly debated question . I'd recommend starting with the Lycoming O-360 Operators Manual, it's about as comprehensive as you can get as to the operation of the engine. Running the engine at > 75% power all the time is a recipe for not hitting TBO FWIW. As far as the relationship between peak EGT, power setting, and where to avoid both detonation margins and get the most life out of your engine, check out this article: https://www.savvyaviation.com/red-box-red-fin/ . The TLDR is: above 75% power, run full rich (this is also what Lycoming who made the engine recommends...). At 75% power, don't go leaner than 150deg ROP. At 65% power, you can basically run the mixture wherever you want. Some nuances to that, but that's a good rule of thumb to get started. What I would recommend is to find a Mooney CFI in your area and go on a XC flight with them, they can teach you engine management techniques for your airplane in different phases of flight and help answer these questions specific to your equipment.
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Also, can I trust the % power readout of the G3X? Is that reliable and accurate just based mathematically on MAP and RPM? If that number can be trusted then I can at least know at a glance when I'm below 75% power.
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Another Screws Question - where to find?
N201MKTurbo replied to Wapst's topic in Vintage Mooneys (pre-J models)
A lot of interior screws, especially if the interior has been redone, are not necessarily aircraft screws. You will have a better time on line or at the Ace Hardware. -
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Any recommendations on a comprehensive guide (written or video) on leaning? I recently bought an M20C. I'm an Air Force guy and 99.7% of my hours are in jets or turboprops so the red knob is a bit of a mystery despite reading the POH and other basic guides. It seems almost like an engine self destruct lever if used improperly. The POH essentially says full rich when >75% power unless you have an EGT gauge (I do via G3X), but then doesn't say what to do if you do have an EGT gauge. Ideally, I'd like to be able to fly at WOT at altitudes where >75% power can be achieved without burning crazy amounts of fuel at full rich. The lean assist mode of the G3X requires you to find peak EGT which I understand to be the point where detonation is the most likely so at >75% power I don't really think that can be used safely. My home field is 4,000' so I have questions about leaning for takeoff and climb. Thanks for any pointers to good guides or discussions in this thread!
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Another Screws Question - where to find?
MikeOH replied to Wapst's topic in Vintage Mooneys (pre-J models)
@Wapst Are you after INTERIOR trim screws? (Your 'cabin door' and 'overhead console' made me think that was a possibility. If so, a quick search at Aircraft Spruce didn't turn up anything for 'kits', but you could try, as well. If not, I'd just drive down with a couple of samples and ask the guys at the counter; they are helpful if not the friendliest bunch -
There are copies of the service manuals in the downloads section…
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