drapo Posted July 4, 2012 Report Posted July 4, 2012 First time with the Mooney in Oskosh this year, and I was wondering if there were quieter periods to come in, like time of the day or the week? Flying at 90kts will be a challenge and I want to make sure I do a good job! Any advice? Quote
Becca Posted July 4, 2012 Report Posted July 4, 2012 Quote: drapo First time with the Mooney in Oskosh this year, and I was wondering if there were quieter periods to come in, like time of the day or the week? Flying at 90kts will be a challenge and I want to make sure I do a good job! Any advice? Quote
wiguy Posted July 5, 2012 Report Posted July 5, 2012 Read the NOTAM 1st. I'd avoid the times with scheduled group arrivals. Since you are coming from a ways off you could snug it up some towards OSK then be ready to go over Ripon at 0715 Monday morning. If so you may well see me there too. Quote
Hank Posted July 5, 2012 Report Posted July 5, 2012 Print the NOTAM in color, and staple it together down the side. The digital photos really make it easy to follow. Read it all twice, then go back and highlight important landmarks, distances, frequencies, elevations, etc. Read it periodically before your trip, the morning before you take off, and fly with the highlighted copy in your lap. This worked for me going into Sun-n-Fun, and I counted 14 planes in line between Lake Parker [the initial entry] and the first turn. Follow along on the printout all the way to the pattern. For speed, 90 knots is basic instrument student approach speed--either dig out your notes or go develop them in the practice area. For my C, it's quite simple: 15-16", 2300, approach flaps down; drop the gear will start a descent, or increase to 19-20" to hold altitude. The numbers will get you close, fine tune for actual conditions referencing your ASI. Even then, you may not be able to hold 90 knots all the way. Some classics [Cubs, Champs, Stearman, etc.] just won't cruise that fast, so you and everyone else behind them get to slow down. Practicing spot landings will certainly help, too. Missing the dot by 1000' will definitely inconvenience another pilot. Quote
gsengle Posted July 5, 2012 Report Posted July 5, 2012 My secret has been to arrive Sat afternoon; you get better position on the north 40 for camping by coming early, and traffic has in my experience been lighter... Quote
MARZ Posted July 5, 2012 Report Posted July 5, 2012 I overnite in Waukesha and fly up in the morning Sunday its about 30 minutes out - you're fresh, able to listen in before getting into the line - for everyone that went last year check google maps!! Found my plane parked in vintage from last year (blue and white with white wingtips on the left end with two tents!! LINK Quote
wiguy Posted July 5, 2012 Report Posted July 5, 2012 Also the Notam has a bunch of stuff that won't apply to you. Just look at the forecast winds at OSH & you will have a handle on the expected arrival runway. Once you break it down just hone in on what applies to YOUR approach. Listen to ATIS asap & you will know what you will get, for the most part. Quote
drapo Posted July 6, 2012 Author Report Posted July 6, 2012 Thanks for all the advices! I did practice 90kts and that part is not too bad. As for pattern altitudes, if I understand it correctly, for Rwy 27, they expect us to descend from 1800' to 1300' mid-downwind? So base leg will be at or below 500AGL? And 18R you keep 1500' til across 27? Spending my free time reading the Notam, watching the videos and learning the landmarks, shouldn't be that bad... See you there! Quote
Dave Marten Posted July 12, 2012 Report Posted July 12, 2012 Drapo, Sounds like you've got the jist of it! Keep your eyes open and listen up on the radio. You'll have a great time. It's a very rewarding experience flying your airplane in. Stop by the north 40 and say 'hi'. You'll have some of the best controllers in the world on the radio, just listen up. Controlling your glidepath on final to arrive at the appropriate 'dot' is something non-standard that you should be ready for. IE, you won't be shooting an approach to the runway numbers. Have a safe flight! You'll love it! Quote
FlyDave Posted July 14, 2012 Report Posted July 14, 2012 I just downloaded the latest update for WingX Pro and it now includes a screen with the Oshkosh NOTAM. Pretty handy to have it right there. I had previously downloaded it and have it on my iPad, so I have it available, but it is still nice to have it in WingX. They also included the class Bravo transition routes from terminal charts. Pretty darn handy in the LA basin! Quote
jetdriven Posted July 15, 2012 Report Posted July 15, 2012 You need it in paper too. Its going to be tough to navigate and scroll through 32 pages on an iPad at the same time. Also, I heard, not confirmed, that some marshalers at OSH would not let you depart until you held up the Notam for them to see.. Quote
GTWreck Posted July 15, 2012 Report Posted July 15, 2012 Another option is to take the 135kt line (@2300' MSL) instead of the 90kt line (@1800'MSL). There are fewer planes in the 135kt line, and you don't have to worry about getting stuck behind a Cub or something that can't do 90kts. Quote
jetdriven Posted July 15, 2012 Report Posted July 15, 2012 Oshkosh notam really discourages this: PLEASE COMPLY WITH THESE SPEED RESTRICTIONS. We know that some of your aircraft are capable of going much faster, and some wish they could cruise at 90 knots . These speed restrictions assist us (ATC) in delivering an orderly and manageable flow of traffic to the control tower, as well as to the volunteers on the ground that assist in your parking at the airport. 1,800' msl at 90 knots/104 mph or If unable - 2,300' msl at 135 knots/155 mph. UNLESS SPECIFICALLY APPROVED BY ATC, DO NOT EXCEED 135 knots! IF YOU ARE CAPABLE OF UTILIZING THE 1,800' PATTERN, PLEASE DO SO. Do not utilize the 2,300' pattern just because your aircraft is capable of flying at 135 knots. It makes it much easier for ATC to develop a sequence most aircraft are at 1,800! Quote
Becca Posted July 17, 2012 Report Posted July 17, 2012 Quote: jetdriven Oshkosh notam really discourages this: PLEASE COMPLY WITH THESE SPEED RESTRICTIONS. We know that some of your aircraft are capable of going much faster, and some wish they could cruise at 90 knots . These speed restrictions assist us (ATC) in delivering an orderly and manageable flow of traffic to the control tower, as well as to the volunteers on the ground that assist in your parking at the airport. 1,800' msl at 90 knots/104 mph or If unable - 2,300' msl at 135 knots/155 mph. UNLESS SPECIFICALLY APPROVED BY ATC, DO NOT EXCEED 135 knots! IF YOU ARE CAPABLE OF UTILIZING THE 1,800' PATTERN, PLEASE DO SO. Do not utilize the 2,300' pattern just because your aircraft is capable of flying at 135 knots. It makes it much easier for ATC to develop a sequence most aircraft are at 1,800! Quote
MARZ Posted July 17, 2012 Report Posted July 17, 2012 Don't forget your signs for when you land .... I printed off all even though I plan to camp in Vintage. Quote
GTWreck Posted July 17, 2012 Report Posted July 17, 2012 Quote: jetdriven Oshkosh notam really discourages this: PLEASE COMPLY WITH THESE SPEED RESTRICTIONS. We know that some of your aircraft are capable of going much faster, and some wish they could cruise at 90 knots . These speed restrictions assist us (ATC) in delivering an orderly and manageable flow of traffic to the control tower, as well as to the volunteers on the ground that assist in your parking at the airport. 1,800' msl at 90 knots/104 mph or If unable - 2,300' msl at 135 knots/155 mph. UNLESS SPECIFICALLY APPROVED BY ATC, DO NOT EXCEED 135 knots! IF YOU ARE CAPABLE OF UTILIZING THE 1,800' PATTERN, PLEASE DO SO. Do not utilize the 2,300' pattern just because your aircraft is capable of flying at 135 knots. It makes it much easier for ATC to develop a sequence most aircraft are at 1,800! Quote
GTWreck Posted July 17, 2012 Report Posted July 17, 2012 Actually, I'm going to answer my own post, thanks for a quick Google search. The place that contains your quoted information is found here: http://www.airventure.org/atc/vfr_basics.html But it's not in the official NOTAM document. It's pretty easy to miss this point if one only reads the NOTAM. Quote
KSMooniac Posted July 17, 2012 Report Posted July 17, 2012 It works much better for everyone to fly 90 knots and get in the conga line. If you show up in the fast lane in a Mooney, I would bet a dollar right now that you get told to go back to the beginning and start over in the slow lane. Please don't be "that guy" and try to shortcut the process that has been honed over the years to efficiently get more planes on the ground per hour (or minute!) than anywhere else in the world. Quote
jetdriven Posted July 17, 2012 Report Posted July 17, 2012 Seriously, 90 KIAS is nothing in a Mooney. That is a couple knots faster than best glide speed in a M20J. Stall speed is 59 KCAS or less for certification purposes. Quote
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