Hank Posted November 12, 2020 Report Posted November 12, 2020 0Tree has a 67 C, somit should be the short tail (I think . . . ). Quote
0TreeLemur Posted November 12, 2020 Author Report Posted November 12, 2020 1 hour ago, takair said: I think that the .08” limit applies to the trailing edge of the rudder, not the trim tab. Note that the image in the manual depicts the riveted trailing edge and even mentions replacement of rivets if the head pops off in the process. I think this was the reason for the limit. The trim tab does not have this problem. That said, not sure where to find that limit, May have been and SB. My thinking is that you can go a little more. Just to confirm, you have a short rudder with the tab at the bottom and the gurney flap (aka pencil holder) mid way up?....or do you have a long rudder? Affirmative. Just as you describe. I see what you are saying about how the S&MM shows the rivets. I'm not about to go bending no rudder! So, I was misreading the S&MM, and I can bend that little aluminum tab more? I think if I bend it maybe 1/4" or so, it might trim the rudder at cruise. Anybody know? Quote
takair Posted November 12, 2020 Report Posted November 12, 2020 15 minutes ago, 0TreeLemur said: Affirmative. Just as you describe. I see what you are saying about how the S&MM shows the rivets. I'm not about to go bending no rudder! So, I was misreading the S&MM, and I can bend that little aluminum tab more? I think if I bend it maybe 1/4" or so, it might trim the rudder at cruise. Anybody know? I believe that is correct, but can’t find a definitive answer at this point. I think the tab was added later, but for the life of me can’t recall how. I thought it was either AC43-13 or a SB, but now I can’t find the reference. Maybe someone recalls...I’ll keep looking.....I have the same tab and it is bent more than .08”, but not sure how much at this moment. 1 Quote
0TreeLemur Posted November 22, 2020 Author Report Posted November 22, 2020 Using sheet metal pliers, adjusted the tab at the lower aft corner of the rudder about 3/8" left as a first try. Flight tested. No handling differences noted.Result: ball is centered without holding any right rudder in cruise. Cool. 3 1 Quote
carusoam Posted November 22, 2020 Report Posted November 22, 2020 Way to go O’tree! Got a pic of a ball centered? (MS type humor) Great follow-up. The pic itself makes Great Wall art. (Siri added the caps... as if we are discussing Chinese art...) Best regards, -a- 1 Quote
0TreeLemur Posted November 25, 2020 Author Report Posted November 25, 2020 On 11/22/2020 at 2:52 PM, carusoam said: Way to go O’tree! Got a pic of a ball centered? (MS type humor) Great follow-up. The pic itself makes Great Wall art. (Siri added the caps... as if we are discussing Chinese art...) Best regards, -a- Yep! 1 Quote
carusoam Posted November 25, 2020 Report Posted November 25, 2020 Cool! No issues with parallax with the AV20! It can be hard to get your eyes lined up with the instrument in that particular location... Thanks for sharing the pic! Any more fine tuning to go? Best regards, -a- Quote
0TreeLemur Posted November 25, 2020 Author Report Posted November 25, 2020 10 hours ago, carusoam said: Cool! No issues with parallax with the AV20! It can be hard to get your eyes lined up with the instrument in that particular location... Thanks for sharing the pic! Any more fine tuning to go? Best regards, -a- There is an intermittent squeal in both radios we're trying to eliminate. Got some good advice on that last night on the Panel/Avionics discussion. Other than that, I just want things to get back to normal, fly places and do fun things. I recently learned that there is a museum in Tampa dedicated to Salvador Dali that my co-pilot and I would love to visit. Quote
carusoam Posted November 26, 2020 Report Posted November 26, 2020 15 hours ago, 0TreeLemur said: There is an intermittent squeal in both radios we're trying to eliminate. Got some good advice on that last night on the Panel/Avionics discussion. Other than that, I just want things to get back to normal, fly places and do fun things. I recently learned that there is a museum in Tampa dedicated to Salvador Dali that my co-pilot and I would love to visit. Hmmmm... Did you say the Dali Museum..? One of my favorite artists... I have seen his work in el Prado Museo en Madrid.... This one is much closer... As mentioned by an MSer... https://mooneyspace.com/search/?q="Dali museum"&updated_after=any&sortby=relevancy +1 for nearing the end of Covid season... Best regards, -a- Quote
Hank Posted November 26, 2020 Report Posted November 26, 2020 10 hours ago, carusoam said: Hmmmm... Did you say the Dali Museum..? One of my favorite artists... I have seen his work in el Prado Museo en Madrid.... This one is much closer... As mentioned by an MSer... https://mooneyspace.com/search/?q="Dali museum"&updated_after=any&sortby=relevancy +1 for nearing the end of Covid season... Best regards, -a- The Mooney Summit will be in Tampa next fall. So your flight down in October can be a two-fer! See you there . . . . 1 1 Quote
Taildraggerpilot Posted April 14 Report Posted April 14 (edited) Why not just detach the rudder control linkage rod end, give it one turn in the desired direction for additional deflection and then put it all back together again (with new cotter pin, of course)??? Edited April 14 by Taildraggerpilot Quote
Andy95W Posted April 14 Report Posted April 14 2 hours ago, Taildraggerpilot said: Why not just detach the rudder control linkage rod end, give it one turn in the desired direction for additional deflection and then put it all back together again (with new cotter pin, of course)??? All that does is make the rudder pedals uneven. If you add more turns, then the rudder is no longer aligned with the nose wheel and you’ll have a wild ride on touchdown. If you also try adjusting the ailerons that way, then the yoke will be crooked too and you will get the rudder/aileron interconnect out of whack and the airplane will fly even more crooked. Better idea is to adjust it according to the manual and tweak the rudder trim tab. Quote
Taildraggerpilot Posted April 27 Report Posted April 27 On 4/13/2024 at 11:27 PM, Andy95W said: All that does is make the rudder pedals uneven. If you add more turns, then the rudder is no longer aligned with the nose wheel and you’ll have a wild ride on touchdown. If you also try adjusting the ailerons that way, then the yoke will be crooked too and you will get the rudder/aileron interconnect out of whack and the airplane will fly even more crooked. Better idea is to adjust it according to the manual and tweak the rudder trim tab. Ah yes, that is all true. I bent the tab, and now both balls in the panel are centered. 1 Quote
Schllc Posted September 2 Report Posted September 2 On 11/3/2020 at 2:15 PM, Andy95W said: Actually, $1400 will get you rudder trim. STC’ed for all Mooney models except the M18 for almost 30 years. http://www.aerotriminc.com/id2.html Inflation says it’s now $2,300. A mere four years later…. sigh… Quote
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