rogerl Posted May 1, 2014 Report Posted May 1, 2014 (edited) who owns it Edited March 15, 2021 by rogerl Quote
carqwik Posted May 1, 2014 Report Posted May 1, 2014 Brokers/Dealers buy wholesale, sell retail...that's how they make money. Same in every industry... Quote
carusoam Posted May 1, 2014 Report Posted May 1, 2014 Interest rates are still very low. Few Os are on the market. Nice choice and good luck, -a- Quote
DS1980 Posted May 1, 2014 Report Posted May 1, 2014 Keep the J. It's the greatest production airplane ever built. 2 Quote
manoflamancha Posted May 2, 2014 Report Posted May 2, 2014 Or sell me your J and buy the Ovation you want! Quote
FlyDave Posted May 2, 2014 Report Posted May 2, 2014 Keep the J. It's the greatest production airplane ever built. I traded up from a J to a Bravo in December of last year. The Bravo is an amazing airplane! The redundancy - 2 alternators, 2 batteries, mechanical and backup electric vacuum pumps - all provide a level of insurance that makes a failure of one of them a non-issue. But you also have to maintain 2 of everything. Also, the Bravo has lots of power BUT the fuel burn to go with it - You'll find yourself wishing you were flying the J when you get to the fuel pump! Fuel burn is my only issue with the Bravo - EVERYTHING else is a no-brainer! Dave 3 Quote
Bravoman Posted May 2, 2014 Report Posted May 2, 2014 I traded up from a J to a Bravo in December of last year. The Bravo is an amazing airplane! The redundancy - 2 alternators, 2 batteries, mechanical and backup electric vacuum pumps - all provide a level of insurance that makes a failure of one of them a non-issue. But you also have to maintain 2 of everything. Also, the Bravo has lots of power BUT the fuel burn to go with it - You'll find yourself wishing you were flying the J when you get to the fuel pump! Fuel burn is my only issue with the Bravo - EVERYTHING else is a no-brainer! Dave Agree with Dave and got my Bravo(my first Mooney and the only one I have ever flown) at same time as he got his. Absolutely love it. Actually, because I also fly a fixed gear Toga( we can't always get everything we need to take into Mooney) I don't think fuel burn too bad. At the power setting I typically use fuel burn about same as Toga and perhaps slightly less. However, Mooney gets you down the road a heck of a lot faster! Regards, Frank 1 Quote
DS1980 Posted May 2, 2014 Report Posted May 2, 2014 I was speaking in terms of simplicity and dollar per mile. Plus it has the room and capacity. And some may find it hard to pull the Bravo out of the hangar. And it's exponentially more expensive to maintain 6 cylinders. Pound per pound and mile per mile, the J is better. I'll even put it on Wikipedia, which will make it a fact. ha! The Bravo is Papa Bear and the J is Momma Bear. Guess that just makes the short bodies Baby Bear, which makes sense. The Acclaim Type S is the Big Bad Wolf. Quote
manoflamancha Posted May 2, 2014 Report Posted May 2, 2014 Or by math: Acclaim > Rocket > Bravo > Ovation > 252 > 231 > 201 > M20F - Scott Quote
carusoam Posted May 2, 2014 Report Posted May 2, 2014 Or by feel... Acclaim>O3>O2>O1>Eagle>J... Aaaaaaaaah, -a- Quote
PMcClure Posted May 2, 2014 Report Posted May 2, 2014 I am sure the J is the more efficient than an Ovation on a $/mile basis. But I sure do like the extra speed and am quite happy with the fuel burn, modern feel and look and comfort of the Ovation. Everyone complains about full fuel load on the later models but I have never left anything behind. Basically, if it will fit in the plane it can go. With 90 gallons fuel capacity and 180-190 knots with 13-15gph LOP, I can leave off some fuel and add some baggage and still travel a long way. I don't agree that it is exponentially more expensive to maintain a 6 banger than a 4 unless it is a turbo. Based on my experience, the real increase in maintenance costs over legacy aircraft is the avionics. But that comes with any model. If you are only concerned about efficiency, you shouldn't be flying a aircraft anyway. Take the Prius. There are a host of reasons to consider an Ovation over a J. Or the other way around depending on your budget and mission and style. 2 Quote
DS1980 Posted May 3, 2014 Report Posted May 3, 2014 A Mooney at 200MPH is far more efficient than any car at 200MPH. Hendrick engines get about 4 MPG at those speeds. The Mooney is getting around 20MPG. Quote
PMcClure Posted May 3, 2014 Report Posted May 3, 2014 I'm strictly talking $/mile :? My f was the best at that but I'll keep my ovation though. Quote
DS1980 Posted May 3, 2014 Report Posted May 3, 2014 Or by math: Acclaim > Rocket > Bravo > Ovation > 252 > 231 > 201 > M20F - Scott Explain this please. What's the denominator? Quote
aaronk25 Posted May 5, 2014 Report Posted May 5, 2014 I just have a hard time with the fact that the bravo has a 7.3 to 1 compression ratio, which makes it much less efficient and is the reason the exhaust runs so hot. The J has 8.7 to one compression..... I get the long body, turbo deal just wish they would have kept high compression pistons and turbo-normalized it. That would have made a hell of a engine with much better fuel efficiency and a exhaust that doesn't glow...... Quote
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