Marauder

See I almost lost the meaning of your joke Fantom because I couldn't quote you. You are joking right?! Wish they would fix it. I tried reloading the app and no joy. It still works on PoA so it must be this site.

My AP is on a separate breaker. I wouldn't want mine like yours. I don't think you want to leave it that way.

1964-M20E you are too fast!

I believe Parker is an agent and probably can give us the best advice. When I upgraded my panel, I used the Mooney Flyer calculator for FMV. Keep in mind that it is a balance between what you have in the plane, versus what someone will pay and what you can live with if they scrap the plane rather than rebuild. I doubt that if they call it a total loss you get to pull out those new radios you installed. It's their plane. Correct me if I am wrong.

Good! I'm not nuts! Sorry, couldn't quote you guys

Funny how that works isn't it?! I find the same stuff happening eveytime as well. I am finally starting to break the habit with the steam gauges. There something about looking at them which is comforting. Covering them up for a bit has help, but did create a little anxiety... I hear ya... In all honesty, I could have repaired and stayed with the analog Nav/Coms I had and "survived' the current IFR system like I have for all the years I have been flying it. But as my really old mother once said to me (she is in her 90s') "Son, you can't take it with you!" So with that in mind, I plan on leaving none of it! I remembered the day I found an antennae for the non-working LORAN that was in the plane when I bought it. I thought I had become an astronaut with all that "high tech". Or the first time I experience a GPS moving map with my 95XL. Little did I know that all of this would evolve into what it is today. I'm enjoying it, but it sure is expensive!

Yep, sorting this stuff out is fun isn't it?! I believe the Garmin Lite Pilot Pak may be just the Nav data.

Too funny but true! The subscription prices and complexity can bring tears to your eyes. The plus side is that once you fly behind one, you never would want to go back.

Hi, I use Tapatalk on this forum and the PoA one. When I go use the quote function here, it copies the quoted text and puts it into a new reply message. I can type in my response and hit send without a problem. It will hour glass like it is sending but comes back with to the reply thread like it wasn't sent. If I back out, it will ask if I want to save or discard the response. No matter what I do, it will not allow me to quote, reply and post. I can create new threads and reply without quoting without a problem. I only have a problem on the Mooney site. The PoA site works correctly. Any idea what is going on?

Here is the link to the Jepp website. What irritated me was the description of "included services". It leads you to believe you get the obstacle, terrain as part of the subscription you are about to order. It does NOT. I let Jepp know this is misleading because the ordering through this section will only give you NavData. http://jeppdirect.jeppesen.com/legal/charts/ads-overview.jsp

Wishboneash - Yes, similar radios. If you have 2 GTNs in the plane, they would allow you to cover both with one subscription. I found ordering through Jepp frustrating. When I purchased the GTN software I went through configuration tool on their website. It indicated that the NavData subscription for $425 included all you would need to update your GTN. The website is misleading. The $425 does not include obstacle, cultural & terrain updates. I called them up to complain and they sent me a link for another website where you could buy that data. And of course when you buy it that way, it is more costly. No mention of Pilot Paks or a reduced rate for a combined purchase. It was after speaking to them several times did they indicate they sold Pilot Paks. The Aspen stuff has no way currently to order online. You need to call them. The good news is that at least everything is included in the price. The bad news is that everything is included in the price. You can't pick what data you want. I think the portables may be treated separately with Jepp. Does Garmin treat them separately? I know they too have the Pilot Paks. Does it include the portables?

Make sure it isn't a bad breaker as well. I have had a few of them go bad over the years and they would pop below their ratings.

Ok, let me see if I can help. First of all, the only legal required databases that need to be updated are the ones in your IFR approved GPS units. That said, I know there are a number of aviation threads that spoke specifically of alternative ways of compliance by manually verifying the accuracy of the navigation data rather than just updating it (I'm too lazy and consider updating the data on the cycles the easiest way). Keep in mind the only database that needs to be updated or verified is the Nav data. Obstacle, terrain, cultural & base are advisory in nature. The Nav data is the "to be legal in the IFR" stuff. So... for the Aspens; Scott -- you do not need to update any database on the Aspens since they are not your legal navigation system. However, if you are an anal retentive type like me, you will want to update the databases. At least periodically. SO where do you get this stuff? Aspen PFD Pro -- ships without a micro SD card. Nothing to update UNLESS you go to ESV. Then you get a micro SD card that stays in the PFD and will come with a database. This database can be updated and here is what is updated: Database components required to render the ESV image, and their update frequency are as follows: Terrain: infrequently, as needed only Obstacles: every 28 days Navigation information (e.g. runways): every 28 days Cultural data (e.g. lakes, rivers, borders): every 28 days If you purchase an Aspen PFD Pro and MFD 1000 without ESV, then only the MFD comes with a micro SD data card. On it will be the following: NavData®: Airports, runways, frequencies, navaids, controlled airspace and restricted airspace. Obstacle data: Depiction of the location and height of man-made obstacles that extend above the ground. Cultural data: Contains boundary and reference information for countries, other major political subdivisions, large water bodies, coastlines, time zones, and other physical and political features. Terrain data: Data that depicts the contours and shapes of the surface of the earth. The 3 arc second terrain database, mainly due to the large file size, lives on the micro SD card that loads into the front of the EFD display. The terrain data will only be updated on an as needed basis and is not a part of the normal 28-day data update cycle from Jeppesen. In addition, it will come with Seattle Avionics Chart subscription: As an Aspen operator, you will be able to see and reference FAA certified Instrument Approach Procedure charts, Departure Procedure charts, Standard Terminal Arrival Route charts, and geo-referenced FAA airport diagrams right on your Aspen MFD. You can zoom and pan on these charts and diagrams with an easy-to-use interface. Geo-referenced airport diagrams display aircraft position accurately right on top of the FAA diagram, increasing situational awareness while maneuvering on the ground, making ground operations safer. All 12,000+ certified FAA Instrument Approach Procedures for airports in all 50 states are available for reference. In a nutshell: If you buy an Aspen Pro without ESV -- no database to update Cost: FREE If you buy an Aspen Pro with ESV -- urged to buy a Jepp terrain, obstacle, cultural database from Jeppesen Cost: Don't know and it is not listed on their website. You need to call for pricing. If you buy an Aspen MFD 1000 without ESV -- optional nav database subscription that includes cultural & obstacle data in a single update using jsum from Jeppesen. Cost: $358/year If you buy an Aspen MFD 1000 with ESV -- urged to buy a Jepp terrain, obstacle, cultural database from Jeppesen Cost: Don't know and it is not listed on their website. You need to call for pricing. If you buy an Aspen MFD 1000 w/ or w/o ESV -- can buy charts from Seattle Avionics. Cost: $299 annually. I got it for $199 as part of a special. Since we are talking about databases and you (Scott) mentioned paying for two GNS subscriptions. I previously reported on another thread that the Pilot Paks from Garmin include ALL GTN products in the plane for a single price (~$890/yr). I found out from Jepp that they offer a similar Pilot Pak and they sold it to me for $784/yr. AND told me that it covered all radios in the plane. I only have 1 at this time. It was NOT the $1415 I reported on that thread. However -- if you go through the website the way I did, you would get the $1415 price. Hmmm.... wonder how many got caught with that? Keep in mind that the GPS is the primary nav database for flight. The Aspens have nav and terrain data and can operate as primary GPS in the case of an emergency. If you lose your Garmin GPS, the Aspen will remember the flight plane route and display it. What I like about the Aspens is the fact they have battery backups. So, if you do lose electrical, you have at least some means to navigate for some period of time. Coupled with the iPad, Nexus or portable, you have some assurances. Let me know if this helps.

I thought I would share a couple of things with you on the Aspen suite of products. I know there have been several mentions of how hot these units seem to run. I was speaking with a technical support engineer for Aspen today and mentioned this to him. He said that they were designed to run hot through the front! He told me that Aspen's heat dissipation design is for the front of the unit to transmit the heat out of the unit through the aluminum shell surrounding the bezel. Their theory is that the front of the panel will always be open and the rear could be jammed in close fitting environment of a snug panel. Interesting way of doing it. For those of you with the MFD and use both the Jepp Nav data and Seattle Avionics charts, you know that Aspen provided only one data card with the MFD. Since the chart data transfer from Seattle Avionics can take a couple of hours, I went looking for a second card. Jepp is the only source for this card. Aspen provided me the Jepp part number of 10192907. The Jepp price is: $275 with a terrain database on it. Jepp has a promo going on now and will give you $20 off using the discount code MAR13. It is supposed to be used for online orders only but they accepted it over the phone. They ASSURED me this card will work as I need it to work. They have a 30 day return policy and wrote it on my order just in case... I will keep you posted on it.

Lets not forget Roger Ramjet! He would feel slighted if we did... At least he is IN aviation!

Must be a boring day up north! I would Roger that only if you wilco...

I just re-read your post. If you keep your 430W and install the Aspen Pro, you can sell the CDI you have for it. Not sure the FMV but it could be worth some good money. You may have mentioned your second radio in your message but I am too lazy to re-read everything. What is it? Another advantage of the Aspen is that you can use the unit to display your other Nav indications on the same HSI display.

I would carefully check the math on any trade in deals. I see used 430W units selling for a lot more than what he is offering. I was quoted $14,500 installed price for a GTN750. The Aspen PFD Pro installed price was $11k. So, let's say you get the 750 for $11k, it looks like he is offering you around $3.5k for your 430W. I think used they go for more than that. Also, you will need an indicator for the GTN. Will your existing CDI work with it? If not, is he providing that in the $11k? At $13.5k, I think that is high for an Aspen PFD Pro. None of the quotes I got came in over $12.5k. You should also take a look at the Aspen rebates that are going on. I ended up with $2k back from Aspen. I spent a lot of time and energy on getting avionics quotes as has many here. Let us know the details and we can help you decide if it is a fair deal.

That looks like it will buff right out! Tell me that is not a road right next to where it went down...

I wish it were true. My guess is that someone will buy the salvage and begins selling off zombie parts...

I'm surprised you guys don't know what this is! When you build a model airplane, you need to trim the excess plastic off of the part! Seriously, the only thing that would make any sense would be for anti flutter. Have you looked in your POH and see if there is anything listed in your equipment weight & balance? Can't say I have seen one on a Mooney...

More details in this thread, including links to pictures of this plane before and after... http://www.pilotsofamerica.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1114915#post1114915

There is a thread of PoA about this plane. It was apparently a flood damaged aircraft that was salvaged and pit back together again.

Anyone know more about this one? Looks like they walked away. http://www.local12.com/content/breaking_news/story/Plane-Crashes-Near-I-75-Outside-Dayton/GKAxefMH-06f-qJFO6gV7Q.cspx

Nice Oscar! How do you like the Aspen ESV?