BigTex

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If you not ever listen to the latest episode (85) of Airline Pilot Guy podcast you need too. He played some LiveATC audio from BWI when the tower used a term ATC 0 and closed the tower. It's amazing the confusion that transpires. The term "ATC 0" was unknown to any of the pilots flying into BWI at the time. http://airlinepilotguy.com/85/ The tower was struck by lightning which caused the tower to close. They used the term "ATC 0" to basically turn BWI into an uncontrolled field. So many of the aircraft on the ground there started calling Potomac Departure requesting takeoff clearances and their response is priceless. Who on this forum ever hear the term "ATC 0"?

That seems really high. I just pulled the data from my last flight and the highest I saw was 164 degrees on a little over an hour and a half flight.

This may be what Byron is referencing but we had this exact thing happen at the MAPA PPP class in OKC in June. If can happen with an experienced Mooney instructor in the right seat, it can happen to any of us.

Nah... More the merrier. After all, a 201 is just a fancy M20F!

So you're recommending the donor plane approach to build out his Super C? What would one expect to pay for a salvage E, F or J?

I can tell you first hand that you should expect to spend around $10k to get that re-skinned.

+1. I couldn't of said it any better.

Guys, I'm in need of a picture of a 1965ish C model headliner. I had mine remove to be redone and neglected to get a picture of it prior to being removed. The shop doing the work is having trouble identifying all of the holes in the headliner. If anyone can send me a picture of an installed headliner, I'd really appreciate it. My email is: frang_tx@yahoo.com

When does it read 29"?

Go visit APOPA's website. They have a wealth of knowledge on purchasing the an aircraft. They go into great details from tips on finding the right aircraft through the pre-buy to closing on the plane. They even have a sample contract they recommend using. I would also strongly recommend using an escrow company. I used AIC and they were fantastic. They walk you through the entire process and makes the purchasing process a breeze. Good luck.

Martin, why don't you post this on the Piper forum?

If with MP reads 31" with the engine off, the gauge is likely fine. As mike said, it might be something with the line. If you run the engine up to 2000+ RPM, does it read correctly? I had the same thing and it turned out to be a clogged line. There's a very small pin hole in the line that can get clogged. I had my line blown out and it work fine after that.

Well... First off good luck getting anything close to the asking price. There's nothing here that would justify that price. The other thing I found interesting is that the ad said that its classified as Experimental Light Sport... I think not.

FWIW i swapped my plugs for the fine wires and my little C model couldn't be happier. It made a huge difference. The engine still has a smile on its face.

I personally feel we are all stewards of the planes we own. We should all make sure that when we sale our aircraft it is sold in better condition that what it was when it was purchased. "Fly it Forward" for both pilots and aircraft.

I'd give John Dors a call with Instrument Overhaul Service. They overhauled my engine cluster when no one else would touch it. The unit came back looking brand new. They are out of El Cajon, CA. 619-449-5565. www.instrumentoverhaul.com

Mike - Using fine wire plugs in the lower side is a very common technique if the engine has a tendency to fowl plugs.

When I purchased my plane the vertical card compass would spin around like it was possessed. I had a MSC degauss the airframe but it didn't make much difference. There's a Service Bulletin out that re-routes the main bus that was causing it to magnetize the tubing. I had the SB done then degaussed. I also had to install A SIRS compass. Now the compass works pretty well.

Make sure you have a contract drawn up with the current owner that has them fix any airworthy item. That clause saved me around $4K. Get with an escrow company to work with like AIC. They will handle much of the details, title searches, etc. Also, expect to spend around 10-15% of the purchase price on stuff that was missed in the pre-buy. Virtually everyone has spent that much fixing things the prior owner deferred.

Not required as far as I can tell... So go get'um Dusty!

If you have a JPI or GEM engine monitor, you can get a probe and display OAT there. I'm having a new windshield installed and that's what I'm doing.

I understand you guys really like your aircraft and you feel you have the perfect aircraft but saying the J is a different league than a C is a pretty big reach. And aesthetics is in the eyes of the beholder. I personally think the look of my C is pretty damn cool. If you really think about it, the J is nothing more than an F with all the mod's so they should be grouped in with all the other vintage planes. Their overall mission is the same as all the other vintage planes. To jump up in leagues, go with a 231. Now those planes are in a different league. Run smoother and fly higher. If I was interested in a J, I'd spring the extra 10 grand and pick up a K model. More bang for the buck and a serious leap in mission capability. This whole conversation reminds me of car discussions where they debate two vs four doors. Station wagon or coupe, convertible vs hardtop. Mines better for xyz reasons... Finally, I'm getting pretty tired of the arrogance of several J drivers that thumb their noses at folks who choose to not fly a J model. Most of us could of purchased a J if that was a plane we wanted. Evidence is the amount we're sinking into our desired plane which is also for you guys to understand. You feel only J's are worthy of investing any serious dollars into. The rest should only be parted out. I have to keep telling myself to Keep Calm and Fly On (KCFO)

Valid point if your mission was needing to carry three on a regular basis... Mine's not.

Granted I'm not a big fan of the M20J, but give me Bob's plane any day of that J. It's head and shoulders a better buy and aircraft in general.