M20F-1968

Try calling Paul Loewen at LASAR a call. John Breda

I have 2 of the royalite pieces and also made a fiberglass copy of this part. I could make another one if you wished or perhaps I could be convinced to get rid of one of the 2 original parts. You can e-mail me at johnabreda@yahoo.com or call me at (617) 877-0025 Thanks, John Breda

I have 2 of the royalite pieces and also made a fiberglass copy of this part. I could make another one if you wished or perhaps I could be convinced to get rid of one of the 2 original parts. You can e-mail me at johnabreda@yahoo.com or call me at (617) 877-0025 Thanks, John Breda

I am trying to clean out my hangar of left over parts from my rebuild project. I have a bunch of parts left over. Some are quite nice such as a completely rebuilt RayJay turbo normalizer system. Others are small parts just left over that someone might need. I have listed about 150 photos on photobucket. The like is: http://s1067.photobucket.com/albums/u434/jbreda/?start=all If there is anything you might need or want, please call me at (617) 877-0025 or e-mail me at: johnabreda@yahoo.com I have more stuff still in Texas and will post when I can get pictures. I have documentation for many F model mods which I have generated which led to FAA approval, so if you are thinking of a project you might give me a call. Thanks for looking, John Breda

I am trying to clean out my hangar of left over parts from my rebuild project. I have a bunch of parts left over. Some are quite nice such as a completely rebuilt RayJay turbo normalizer system. Others are small parts just left over that someone might need. I have listed about 150 photos on photobucket. The like is: http://s1067.photobucket.com/albums/u434/jbreda/?start=all If there is anything you might need or want, please call me at (617) 877-0025 or e-mail me at: johnabreda@yahoo.com I have more stuff still in Texas and will post when I can get pictures. I have documentation for many F model mods which I have generated which led to FAA approval, so if you are thinking of a project you might give me a call. Thanks for looking, John Breda

I replaced my rotating beacon with a Whelen LED beacon. I used DER approval and 337 as the path. Whelen supplied a mounting ring with no holes as I remember. You can e-mail me at johnabreda@yahoo.com if you are interested in more details. It is seen lit up in a picture in my gallery. John Breda

I started my IR at about 50 total hours after earning the PPL at about 42 hrs. I earnd both my PL and IR while living in Portland, OR with the advantage of overcase, foggy, rainy weather 10 months out of the year. This allowed me to build time with an instructor from 50 to about 130 hrs in actual conditions. We flew every weekend and filed in the cloud layer. I eventually became more comfortable on instruments and still prefer to file IFR. Try to get as much actual time as possible. I still do not understand how anyone can feel comfortable without significant actual condition training. Learning under the hood is not the same. Also, realize that it will take some time to feel comfortable "without the instructor" after you get your IR. Know your limits and take on small challenges at a time. Get the experiences into you long term memory and skill bank. Also, realize that it will take years to full develop your IR skills. Be safe and do not take chances. John Breda

The "twisted wing" really is not "twisted" at all. The outboard skin is the same as in all other Mooney airplanes. The forward wing ftip is depressed about 1 1/2" so thbat the outboard skin is aligned differently in relation to the next skin inboard, but the skin itself is still a straight skin. In other words, you can put a straight edge on the outboard skin and find that the skin is straight. The skin's leading edge is formed from the factory. You may be able to find a shop who can make the skin. Try Beegle's Aircraft in Greeley, CO. (970) 353-9200 They do only structural repairs, do good work and are well recognized. John Breda

The "twisted wing" really is not "twisted" at all. The outboard skin is the same as in all other Mooney airplanes. The forward wing ftip is depressed about 1 1/2" so thbat the outboard skin is aligned differently in relation to the next skin inboard, but the skin itself is still a straight skin. In other words, you can put a straight edge on the outboard skin and find that the skin is straight. The skin's leading edge is formed from the factory. You may be able to find a shop who can make the skin. Try Beegle's Aircraft in Greeley, CO. (970) 353-9200 They do only structural repairs, do good work and are well recognized. John Breda

The "twisted wing" really is not "twisted" at all. The outboard skin is the same as in all other Mooney airplanes. The forward wing ftip is depressed about 1 1/2" so thbat the outboard skin is aligned differently in relation to the next skin inboard, but the skin itself is still a straight skin. In other words, you can put a straight edge on the outboard skin and find that the skin is straight. The skin's leading edge is formed from the factory. You may be able to find a shop who can make the skin. Try Beegle's Aircraft in Greeley, CO. (970) 353-9200 They do only structural repairs, do good work and are well recognized. John Breda

FYI: I have a nice set of cowl cheeks which yours is missing and an F model top cowling if you need it. My e-mail is johnabreda@yahoo.com Cel phone - (617) 877-0025 John Breda

I am just finishing a complete rebuilt with many modifications of a 1968 F model. Mine is now a modern aircraft with a johnson bar and hydraulic flaps. It would seem that you would want to restore yours to more original condition and specs, but you never know. Even if you do all of the labor, parts costs and rebuild of each system will most likely be more than budgeted so I would plan on that. How much more depends on how it plays out. Get a good hangar. You could take the wing off it and find a good garage but that mean 1 trip each way to/from the airport and dissaaembly/reassembly. I would go through the engine and all accessories entirely. In fact, I would consider most removeable parts to be considered "core" parts in need of replacement/rebuild. Check well for corosion, especially in 4130 tubes as discussed and spar. There will be some corrosion most likely in the skin lap joints. How bad remains to be seen. My aircraft was inside for 26 years so I had a pretty clean irframe to start with, although dismantled. I have many left over parts so you might keep in touch. E-mail if you have questions. John Breda

Rebuild cost would be expected to a multiple of to $60,000 posted on an earlier reply. This is most likely a parts plane. John Breda

I spent the first 15 years of my working life as a symphonic clarinetist. As such, I had years on one on one teaching culminating in studies with my mentor from high school until my mid-twenties. I have also taught one to one myself. It is a wonderful thing when you find some one who can share and is willing to give of their time and knowledge. You become friends and learn better because of the relationship. My mentor had several ways to trick his students into feeling and experiencing what he was trying to impart. The study of a musical instrument is in many ways like flying. The skills must become a part of you and actual experience at each jucture goes along way. Find someone who is knowledgeable and who you click with. But, lastly, and most importantly, take his knowledge to allow you to grow and ultimately be your own teacher. Read alot about flying when away from the airport and let that knowledge become part of your long term memory. In that way it will unconsciously alter almost every aviation decision you will make. At always be safe. John Breda

Does anyone have fuel dipstick measurements for an F, G or J model with Monroy long range tanks? I agree that the dipstick can best be made from a plastic tube and markings transfered by marking the plastic tube with a file. The level can be easily seen if the tube is inserted, then withdrawn with a finger occluding the upper open end. The fluid level can be directly visualized. John Breda

The areas of corrosion are near the weld. From the pictures this looks suspicious to be more than just surface corrosion. First an external clean and inspect per the service bulletin is in order. You could obtain the wall thickness of the original tubes from Mooney, or by measuring directly from a salvaged airplane with the help of your friendly salavge yard. You could then assess the percent material lost and determine if greater than 10%. If the tube needs to be repaired, I would contact a DAR who does welding and can repair the area himself (there is one such person at Air Salvage in Lancaster, TX). A DER can assess structural loads and make a determination and recommendations for types of repairs (removing corrosion, then repair with overflying tube and extending weld, etc). You may be able to get information from the structural engineer formerly with Mooney who I believe is still in Kerrville. I believe you would need to remove to outer skin to perform any welding. I too am in Massachusetts. You can contact me at johnabreda@yahoo.com John Breda

My plane is now in annual and Iis flying after a major rebuild. I am hetting closer to needing a clean hangar and have a bunch of Mooney parts available. Some parts have been sold since my last posting so here is an updated list. Please e-mail me at johnabreda@yahoo.com if you are interested in any of this stuff: Completely rebuilt RayJay Turbo normalizer system for an E or F model with all STC's, documentation and drawings. Artex Tri-Band ELT rod antenna model 110-320 for the G406 style ELT's Electronics International TIT Over Temp Gauge A pair of Fiberglass NACA ducts from a Lear Jet (alright not a Mooney part) Two Garmin GPS antennas (not WAAS) - One new 0ne used One new Garmin GPD WAAS antenna Interav 50 W alternator with voltage regulator and overvoltage relay Original M20 exhaust pipes (4 manifold pipes) Many different styles of airboxes The original F/E model nose bowl skin E/F model headrest - Blue Fuel selector valve from 1 1998 Ovation Fuel sump for a 1998 Ovation Mixture control cable from a 1998 Ovation - 400hrs total Short, smooth rudder for M20 Throttle control cable from a 1998 Ovation - 400 hrs total Prop control cable from a 1998 Ovation - 400 hrs E/F original air filter and housing E/F Brackett air filter element - new F model dorsal fin Aluminum box fabricated to mount a JPI 930 in a canted position E/F model stall/gear warning horn (Dual warning unit) Starting vibrator Two Parking brake assemblies for E/F or other vintage Mooney Blow tubes for engine baffling Induction assembly but ducting ripped Two Ring gear assemblies for Lycoming O or IO-360 Brittan vacuum cans without rubber bellows Original cat's whisker type comm antenna from E/F model Dukes fuel pump and mounting bracket Hydraulic flap pump rebuilt and yellow tagged Turbo blanket - used E/F model cargo door New Ovation style panel fabricated like the one in my airplane ( see my gallery - M20F-1968) Ovation plastic window pieces (cover structural cage in picture window area - black) Double puck brake calipers from Ovation - 400 hrs Turbo mounting bracket from RayJay turbo normalizer - new Extra set of exhaust pipes from original RayJay turbo normalizer for E/F models Cowl cheeks left and right for 1967 F model Cowl plugs for Mooney Bravo Adult/child life preserver - Eastern Aero Marine - have 4 Eastern Aero Marine liferaft - 2 person Mooney door hinge Assorted new instrument panels King avionics fan - KA 33 Suction gauge Oxygen bottle mounting bracket for a composite 75 cubic foot O2 bottle - removed from Ovation Mooney F model interior door handle - have 2 Used exhaust cove skins E/F model passenger door latching hardware Paggenger door brace - holds door open Ovation hatrack back to accommodate air conditioner 1 smooth elevator Floor center console from Ovation Top Cowling from 1968 F model M20 F firewall Oil filler door from J model top cowling Center console from Ovation J model cowl flap assemblies TR530 GPS WAAS antenna - Garmin Tail light for M20 Safe Flight Lift Detector - stall warning switch - have 2 Set of new red push to test lens covers 2 new post lights Cable for Electronics International Super Clock KR 87 ADF - repaired with return to service document - from Duncan Avionics Vertical Speed indicator - like new - Part No 7000 King KI227 - Part No. 066-3063-01 - slaved version Ceiling vent outlet for E/F models J model engine cluster - working Original F model enging cluster - Garwin Part No. 22-169- Pair of E/F model yoke shafts Airborn mechanisms Vacuum Regulating Valve - Model 133A4 Brittan Industries - TC100 P/N 2900 Gyroscopic Rate of Turn Indicator Mooney single EGT gauge with probe Set of fuel caps for E/F model Battery relay Ignition switch 2 Dimming Pots from F model Vacuum switch WEMAC vent Whiskey compass from 1998 Ovation (originally mounted in glareshield) Lone Star Voltage Converter - from 14 to 28 volts Thanks for reading through all that: John Breda

Is that a 1/4" thick windshield? Glad the damage was only this much. John Breda

I have also found Erik at McKee Avionics to be knowledgeable and he does good work. Talk with him specifically. McKee is on San Marcos, TX airport. He installed the panel that is posted in my gallery. John Breda

This has become a long thread with lots of opinions. Once the pilot and passengers recover from their traumatic episode, I would like to hear from them as to what caused them to loose control in the first place. We are not going to change the structural aspects of our aircraft, but we can learn from others actual experiences leading up to this accident. John Breda

If it is indeed the avionics fan, I have a good one which I did not use in rebuilding my aircraft. It is a KA 33. If you are interested you can e-mail me at johnabreda@yahoo.com or call me at (617) 877-0025. A picture is attached. John Breda

Thanks. It was a long time in the making with several turning points. It was one of those projects where there is no turning back. Just finishing the airframe and avionics now and will paint probably in 4-6 months when I get more time on the airframe. John Breda

I have a set of 201 yokes that come from Lone Star. They were leather wrapped by Aero Comfort and have never been installed since. I ended up installing a set of yokes I obtained from an Ovation which I bought as a set with the control tubes. These were leather wrapped by the factory and had smaller stitching and a smoother leather, so I used them. I also have another set of Ovation control tubes and a set of control tubes from an F model. I have an extra set of Mooney emblems as well for the center of the 201 style yokes. I was planning on just keeping them as spare parts, but for the right price.... You can e-mail me at johnabreda@yahoo.com or call me at (617) 877-0025. John Breda

There was a member of Mooneyspace from Austin I believe who was a prior test pilot for Mooney and a CFII. Can someone recall his name or put me in touch with him? You can post here or e-mail me at johnabreda@yahoo.com Thanks, John Breda

These are spare parts for me and they need a good home with someone with an E or F model. There is a complete RayJay normalier system and a second set of exhaust pipes available. John Breda