sleepingsquirrel

I like Parker's reasoning. I'm new to the Mooney line and it's just so fast to accelerate that if I'm not careful to retract the gear after breaking ground , I find I have to make an effort to slow down to get the gear up. I am self insured and believe that in the event of an engine failure on take off a gear up landing is a safe landing. Just expensive. I'll go with get the gear up on positive rate of climb. We're out'a hear!

Quote: DaV8or My question for Mogas users is, how do you know for sure there isn't any ethanol in the fuel? Here in California, it's a moot point. I have no idea where you would buy ethanol free gas.

I think the reasoning is that lead additive is more than necessary in 100LL but non- existant in no lead. So instead of mixing no lead and low lead to get the proper lead additive level it's just easier to run a tank of low lead periodically to boost the lead in the subsequent no lead fills. This probably works for the low compression engines just fine but for higher compression engines one would want to mix fuels to get the lead additive consistant and proper. I think the reasoning for left tank of auto fuel and right tank of 100LL av gas is to cover take off and landing, take off and land on the good stuff , switch to the auto for cruise. Just thinking outside the box, but why couldn't the vent system on the Mooney be directed into the airstream like the Cessna with a 90 degree elbow? The impact air would allow slight static pressure on the fuel in the tank to help prevent vapor lock on a tank with auto fuel. I don't know if this was tried in and attempt to obtain an STC for the Mooney , I'm not sure if anyone has even investigated an STC for Mooney.

I think that if you have a highwing plane with head pressure on the fuel lines vapor lock is less likely. If you have fuel pumps internal to the tanks vapor lock is less likely. If the fuel pump has to lift the fuel from the tanks, vapor lock is more likely to happen. The lower the ambient pressure and the higher the temperature the more likely it is to have vapor lock. The same engine in different airframes can possibly make a difference. I think the evidence is one can burn auto fuel but without a blessing from extensive testing you are on your on. Subject to violations , and possibly fuel starvation in some cases. People have been doing it for years. I have not read accident reports identifying auto fuel as the cause , just lack of fuel or water in the fuel. Has anyone else read of auto fuel identified as the cause of engine stoppage? ( discount ethanol contamination)

The Lycoming O360 A is ok by Lycoming for 93 octane automotiive fuel with ethanol of less than 1%. They go on to say that that an STC is required for the airframe the engine is in. I just looked it up today and have the reference at my work computer. Eventually all of us will be looking for an alternate fuel for these old engines. The summer fuel is better for vapor pressure (aviation ) than the winter mix.

Quote: aviatoreb .... I think the anonymity of the internet with fake names on the internet allows people to take on personna, avatar as they say, that may allow them to take out suppressed aggression or frustration from the rest of their lives in inappropriate ways elsewhere. Erik

Hi Parker, My wife is sending yours today! Kurt I'll get your two out !

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Quote: Seth ..... Great Scott! This is heavy. Heavy, this is another subject concerning the anti-gravity module Mooneys are well known for. People think they float off the end of the runway because of speed. It's because they haven't found the on /off switch for this module. It's usuall unmarked and located right beside the power and the glory switch. (it also requires air cooling)

My B model has turn/push to start, I've been thinking about brazing a door knob to my key but then I couldn't get it in my pocket.

Quote: DonMuncy Jiminy creepers! How do you get 11.71 gigawatts to the flux capacitor??? The way I heard it , accelerate to 65 MPH ,pull back on the stick and get hit by lightening. You guys crack me up. Do you really come up with this stuff yourselves, or pay someone to write it. Don

Quote: Hank Jiminy creepers! How do you get 11.71 gigawatts to the flux capacitor???

Quote: fantom Yet most of us will spend tens of thousands on a GPS because we fear being lost, but not a grand on good recurrency training. Sorry, but I guess I'm in a bad mood.

I feel badly for the pilots and their families who survive these accidents. I'm still waiting for the results of a Cherokee crash in our area last month or two. However, the media has long forgotten the event. I was ten or twelve when my cousin and her Naval aviator husband went down near Evergreen Al. on their way to Pensacola. They were flyng my Uncle's 172. Both died in the wreck. There was fuel on board but suspected fuel mismanagement. Mu Uncle did not fly for years due to grief. Then like all aviators , got back on the horse that threw him. If aviation was not a challenge ,what would be the purpose? The risks never go away, we just do the necessary things to minimize them. We learn and become better human beings everytime we experience a close call. Hopefully our close calls never cross paths with Death and we live to realize how much we have live for.

While it's apart the bulb likes to have the filiment vertical instead of horizontal . It's supposed to last longer. Rough landings you know!

Flux capacitor cooling supply line.

Hi, I have three of these early Mooney manuals . I bought the lot just to have one for my documents on my 1961 B model. It shows the ice cream cone style cabin vent scoop and a slightly later instrument panel than my 1961. (throttle,mixture, prop controls at the bottom of the panel) I have three for sale plus mailing expense. Make an offer! I suspect about $8.00 for a mailing package and postage U.S. I really like the marketing from that era relating to the jet like performance! Sleepingsquirrel

Hi, I didn't know that I needed a Mooney until I logged an hour in a P51 Mustang. I had flown with one of the local pilots years ago in a C Model and instantly recognized the feel! I found a 50 year old Mooney B Model and really love flying it. It has not been difficult to transition into from a long line of Cessna,Piper, Beechcraft fixed gear aircraft. I've only owned it for about 6 months and am beginning to plan some longer Xcountry flights. This 50 year old airplane still performs like a teenager!

I think Airplane crashes are more interesting to the media because there are so many automobile accidents and deaths that they are no longer news! The media will cover a TV tower that collapses but never follow up with why did it crash. The same for aircraft accidents. It makes top of the hour until the next news item takes its place but the next top of the hour news story will not be about 120 deaths this week end on the nations higways. I did my part , I didn't crack up this week end.

I heard of a pilot known to tie his airplanes down with tire casings, forget one tied to the tail . Took off realizing something was not right but broke ground .This strip is one of those where you are committed shortly after opening the throttle. He told me how scared he was when he looked back and saw that tire casing trailing behind his 172 . Said he made the slowest , most gentle turn. Had no trouble getting the thing down with exceptional short field performance. Very little ground run. There was no need to explain just how stupid that trick was, he already knew. He has passed away , and I learned many good things from this man, he was a great, grass roots pilot.

Quote: Skywarrior . I would have chewed his ass out right there, and reported his actions to the club mgr. Chuck M.

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Quote: Cris ....., I like to use a "story" to make the point in a non offensive way. Consider the next time you see this guy you say. "Hey the other day I saw you hop out of your plane to get your headset while the engine was running. Did'nt think anything of it at the time but coincidently I just read about a guy that did that exact same thing & the A/C moved while he was out of it & ran into .... Hope you did'nt rush on my account"

Quote: alex Would you contact owner and snitch on this dumbass? Am I being judgemental? after all his parking brake worked quite well.

I hate finding something valuable, I know it's not mine, but I also know the odds of it finding its rightful owner in the hands of someone else are just as good as if I held it. Therefore, I try never to find anything valuable because of the dilimma. What does this have to do with this thread? Nothing! If you had not been witness to this event,would it still have happened? Would the outcome have been the same? Is one occurrence worthy of having to always be perfect, or.......run the risk of having this person trying to correct your mistake or poor judgement? (usually this does not work well except between instructor and student) On a crowded ramp with children and invalids this might deserve a discussion with the pilot. Otherwise he will just point out that people hand prop their planes all the time and have no one in the cockpit. Many great airshow acts are based on this premise. Just think to yourself "I would NEVER do that" (Even after a particularly difficult hot start with an already low battery, and the airplane will not move because the low battery distracted you and you forgot to remove the chocks from the MAIN gear which you vividly remember putting there now that the balky airplane will not move)