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Thank you for explaining what I meant when I said EAA may have some legal liability here that would cause a jury to award. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Ugh. I don’t speak for all of us. But I do speak for me- and I’d like to believe “this isn’t us.” There isn’t a single mooneyspacer whose head i would want to occupy “rent free.” Just sounds juvenile … Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Blessed indeed. I didn’t “retreat” to an emotional argument. My argument was very factual. I cited some facts. - op suffered a loss, which he graciously shared with us. - the loss was not incurred by any fault of his own. He parked where directed, and EAA collected a fee, part of the $120+ million made by the group or brought to the area annually. - EAA has no waiver of liability, “park at your own risk”, and even if they did, Wisconsin law may make it unenforceable - emotion, including traumatic events not solicited by OP, given the accident or loss by OP and his family, may be or should be compensable. I didn’t write the law. - one would have to be from a different planet to not discern OP was distraught - and if a party through their actions and willful negligence caused 2 people to die, and destroy OPs plane - needs to be responsible for their actions - if you drive a car, even while sober, and are at fault for killing two other humans, the penal code in most states makes you answer to manslaughter charges. THAT is a job I’ve had before. That you’re flying instead of driving changes things only slightly. I for one try to avoid conflict like the plague. But who am I to judge the OPs loss as appropriate or not? Casting his right to file a claim, let alone pursue litigation to make up due his loss as a “wrong” strikes me as judgmental and idealistic. OP has already expressed dread going after EAA and that may be laudable or commendable. That’s very decent of him. To say that filing a claim / suing for a substantial or very legitimate loss is akin to two wrongs making a right or me retreating to an emotional argument while living a double standard is wrong and fails to hold water under scrutiny.

I don’t, until I do. I’ve had property destroyed by uninsured motorists. I’ve had people damage things of mine and believe they won’t pay or try to avoid it. I’ve had a diesel shop change a gasket, drop a bolt in the intake,, and ruin an engine while arrogantly claim they didn’t do it. 12,000 later… if our society was more polite, leave within their limits and pay their debts, who’d need litigation? I’ve also managed businesses where investment partners want 20,000% return on their investment arbitrarily merely for fronting cash. litigation sucks. But I’ll betcha a subway sandwich the surviving pilot doesn’t have enough coverage to properly cover his liability… if that’s the case, should OP walk away and lose his airplane?

Hmmmmm meh. OP suffered a loss by no fault of his own. - 2 aircraft crashed on top of his plane - it happened during airventure - OP’s family was present and may be legitimately traumatized, no matter how resilient OP and his family may claim to be. I don’t know Wisconsin law (and I’m not a lawyer to boot, just someone who has managed tens of millions in litigation and have been in litigation since I was a puppy)… I don’t know if contributory or comparative negligence applies based on Venue / jurisdiction. EAA hires the controllers and it is their job to keep the traffic flow as needed. Airventure does not magically make the rules stop, and the operator of the venue does have some responsibility as to how the event is run. To say that flying into a high density airport bars a plaintiff from recovery sounds great in Utopia, but it’s hardly a panacea for high rates - and it’s wrong. That means we would limit our compensation by flying into class B airports or we would have a sliding scale for recovery depending on where the accident took place. There were also reports that the responsible party was hotdogging the entire time. If Airventure didn’t take steps to remove him, ground him or change the pattern enough to prevent this, they too may be liable. Moreover, if I was OP, I would be tweaked. My kids and wife would certainly be. I would seek therapy because the event involved loss, death, trauma and the fear of it going a worse direction - the loss of his airplane is only a part of the story. Un-litigious as we want to be, our laws are either criminal or civil - and short of suspensions and other punitive items, being made whole in our society where community barely exists and the dream of real restorative justice causes me to cackle in ridicule, the only thing. We get is MONEY.

And that’s what the hand wringing is about. Since we are in the comment period of the NPRM…send cards and love notes asking for a higher stall speed. If we can raise the stall speed to mooney speeds, yesssss

During Oshkosh, I noticed Mike Busch had an interesting seminar - in my opinion over the last 30 years it seems he has changed his opinion some after the advent of Walter, John and George but- longer conversation. Good luck to him with Savvy…. One of his lectures was “TBO5000-“ a story of how by circumstance, players involved and more led to an engine that made it to 5000 past TBO and more- as a combination of oil testing, dig Lsing engine behaviors and mechanical oversight. I’ve overhauled engines in aircraft prematurely on at least 2 airplanes…and in fact I paid I advance for an overhaul some years back that I just received recently. I’ve become more and more of the opinion that if you’re getting regular oil analysis, flying the engine regularly even after a long non flying spell, use an engine monitor, borescope and check compressions regularly, TBO is good for the Union workers at Lycoming but arbitrary as the lottery.

An OP takes a moment to share a fairly excruciating if not traumatic experience with us here at the board that involves death, family and children. Then by whatever methods, the thread is allowed to devolve into a pissing contest. As a community, i find that in terribly poor taste. A thread of this kind should genuinely be about providing an ear for the OP, supporting the OP, lending a helpful hand, and hopefully not pulling out the rulers for appropriate measure. There are hundreds of other threads for that. IANAL, and what’s typed is strictly my own opinion.

Fine fine I meant to say radial but my non English native brain said rotary Quit lining and go buy one. Or two. Wright R-3350 Aircraft Engine https://milwaukee.craigslist.org/avo/d/orovada-wright-3350-aircraft-engine/7649544787.html Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I wonder how the aerodynamics would work in an M20 with a big rotary like that… Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Salty was kind enough to sell me his when I was troubleshooting an E charging issue while out of town that I needed to ferry asap. My M20E now has a different generator and regulator. Upon inspection of the removed generator, we ascertained that the brushes are the only thing that appeared to need replacing. I did end up purchasing the alternator kit which I have not yet installed. If anyone wants this core I can pass it on.

Sorry to hear about your tragedy - that was a good looking F. Hopefully this will pass soon for you and your kids. Having people perish on top of your airplane can’t be a good memory. As there will be many twists and turns in this, I may recommend that you get some representation - some have mentioned a lot of ickyness and I resoundingly agree as I deal with airplanes that need paint and repairs all the time. You don’t need the added aggravation from the parties involved, and the families of the deceased have their own stuff to go through. Find a silver lining in this- perhaps you can get an upgraded airplane and continue living and enjoying where others can’t.

I’d take him up on it … Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Ugh- this sucks. Cee Baileys and Aircraft Glass are both local to me and I just came back from Osh and Houston….booo…. The cost to install it depends on screws (such as are in my M20E), rivets (like in my M20K) or Rivnuts like in my 172… I hate that Greyhlind shut down it’s shipping. It used to be the cheapest game in town.

Very much a fan of EI and I would have suggested it - except for… ”Several years ago a JPI830 was installed with tons of sensors - but not CDT!” and OP was asking about if it was worth it to hook it up to the 830. i believe some sticklers would say that the airplane is not airworthy without it, necessitating either the original gauge or extra money in an upgrade either for a dedicated gauge or a primary version of an engine monitor

I believe the issue revolves around primary gauges and airworthiness…which jpi loves as they want you to upgrade to their 900 series. They ne er STC’d the 830 as primary as they used to with the 700/711 precisely for that reason. Even if the sourced sensor primary / non primary is the same, it Carries a different part number. Many people at jpi are awesome. Sales? Hmmmm not so much. They also like to intercept support calls. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

(Smiling)… Part of the pitch made to the Obama administration during the argument that aviation was growing and airplanes would be crashing and falling out of the sky, as Garmin was busy trying to sell the “openness” of their Capstone project, was the IDing of aircraft to enable charging user fees. Remember when registration fees kicked in? People willingly and eagerly flock to purchase Garmin panels because oh my gawd the features are great….

Keith, I own the paint shop in Compton. I’ll be repainting my K model and redoing the interior while changing up the avionics…you’re welcome anytime. I also have an E modelas well….

Ooooohhhhh. I just rescued an M20E that was sitting for 12 years with the exact same symptoms. Ugh. Bleeding the brakes? Hmmm…imagine some nice ectoplasmic mud colored oooze with the contingency of pudding. Once aaaaaall that crap was pushed out, the brake and flap system was clean….the flaps worked then. Now the brake cylinders needed overhauling but that was a different matter altogether… Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

My flying started with a 50 member flying club eons and eons ago. Today I own several airplanes. I have seen great partnerships and I’ve seen horrible partnerships. It is all about the operating agreement. What if you or the other partner wants to get out *right now!” ? Entries and exits are key. What about if one or more partners want fancy upgrades…but you do not? What are the terms? Perhaps you don’t fly a ton…but I fly the wings off of that airplane. How do you price it’s depreciation or cost of overhaul? How do you deal with reserves ? If an overhaul is needed now, is there enough in the kitty for it ? Hmmm time for paint. Ohhhh I fly a lot less conservatively than you. Sorry about the blown tire and scored brakes. I just put in 20 hours maintaining the plane - where were you? Things to think about ….

Anyone know someone familiar with Mites in SoCal? Thanks Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Griggs / O&N recommend that they be kept full for longevity. When they weren’t kept full in my m20e, I believe the clamps holding the bags together get loose. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Whats the pricing like these days for the various one piece belly’s? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Friends don’t let friends buy Diamond…just saying

Robert Tagle. Pm me for info Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk