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Thanks folks! got 'em to open and close!

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Pretty sure that the portable unit will shave more than a few knots off cruise with that form factor… I like how you can can program it (and the permanent model) for reminders like gumps etc. Be great to have that on my LHS.

Me too. I love my LHS.

Does anyone have a picture/scan of the "Standing Ovation" logo - I saw one awhile back but can't seem to find it anywhere....

I’ll give that a try

Explain?

OK, SO I’ve had my Ovation since May - its starting to get cold here in Las Vegas and I finally turned my attention to shutting off the Pilot/Copilot knee vents (I believe they’re called Wemac vents). I can’t figure out how to do this. I turn the nozzle but it just turns and doesn’t seem to regulate flow. HELP! Nothing worse than cold lower legs lol.

Depends which Mooney and which year 235. The long body 235's (1973 onwards) would probably be equivalent in size to a mid Body Moooney (J model, K model and F?). The short bodied Mooneys will be a littel bit tighter than a pre 1973 235. Mooneys are actually about 1.5" wide in the cockpit than the Cherokee though. You sit in a Mooney like a sports car so everything just seems to work better.

No, a 235 is a standard Cherokee with an O540 (downrated to make max 235HP). A little bit longer nose to accommodate the larger engine, but other than that, same size/form as a Cherokee 180. Got a fuselage extension in the 70's and eventually morphed into the Piper Dakota (with the newer wing form). Cruise speed for a 235 around 135KTAS WOT with about 16 GPH burn. Great useful load though, aircraft can haul around its own weight. Was Piper's answer to the 182.

Looks like there are some J's in that range. Best performance/efficiency for the price out there.

Question #1 - what's your budget?

I sold my Cherokee 235 and bought an Ovation. I had 500+ hours and an instrument rating. I love my Ovation and wouldn't swap it for any other bird. I will say however that transitioning from a 235 to an Ovation was not easy and it took me literally 40 hours of transition training before I felt comfortable. The sight picture, performance, landing etc were very different and it took a while for me to "unlearn" my Cherokee 235 habits (like big flares etc). You ABSOLUTELY should upgrade to a Mooney (whatever model) - just be prepared for a learning curve and make sure you have a Mooney CFII lined up!!!! You'll love it.

Battery life is about the same, maybe a bit better. Speed is much better tho.

I get about a 5 KTAS penalty in my O

Here is a link to articles by John Deakin https://www.avweb.com/features/avweb-classics/pelicans-perch/pelicans-perch-index/. Numbers 8, 15, 16, 18, 19, 43, 63-66, 77 & 78 deal with engine management and running LOP.

I had the same questions before I bought my Ovation. Richard Simile was kind enough to arrange a sit in (lol) for me in St George, a couple of hours from where I live in Las Vegas. I had a Cherokee 235 and was considering a Saratoga. I had heard all of the rumors about the small Mooney cabin. My Ovation is about 1 inch shorter than a Saratoga, The cabin width is a but wider than a Cherokee, but was more comfortable. As has been mentioned, you sit more akin to a sports car than an SUV. It's very comfortable. The long bodies have a ton of baggage area and the back seats have plenty of leg room for adults. Getting in and out is, as has been mentioned a bit of a pain the ass but everything in life's a tradeoff, right? I'm 6ft, 275 and wide. No issues. Wife is petite but my regular flying buddy is 6' 4' and 220 and we both fit up front with no issues (seats are staggered). My son is 6' 2" and 190 and sits in the back no problem.

I am now selling my iPad Mini 6 with 64GB, Space grey. Screen perfect a couple of little nicks in the bezel. Works perfectly. Let me know if you're interested. $250 (I know the title says $275- don't know how to edit it)

Just replaced my mini 6 with 512GB Cellular Mini 7. Exact same form factor between the two. Faster processor and for me, loads more storage. I am now selling my mini 6 with 64GB, Space grey. Screen perfect a couple of little nicks in the bezel. Works perfectly. Let me know if you're interested.

Me too. M20R TKS with 310HP STC and 1100 lbs UL. Very happy.

Yes. This is sage advice. Couldn’t agree more. IR should be mandatory and is a lot more challenging than people think. The best way to approach it is when you’re still in the training mode. If you plan on xc flying its is indispensable. Yes, flight following is ok (until they get busy and then you hear “radar services terminated”) but if you want to climb above or descend through a layer on an otherwise vfr flight, you’ll need it. Most of my trips are xc and almost all filed IFR. Enjoy your new privileges and I agree with those who recommend that you don’t waste hours and money in a 172 - you’ll want to build hours and experience in a Mooney if that’s what you want (good choice!)

Main difference is how lean and what RPM. I cruise at 2550, others 2500 or 2400.

WOT 14000 176KTAS 11.4GPH

I had a Bruces made for my Cherokee a few years ago - its was cheaper than Mac and of good quality. My Ovation came with a Mac canopy cover and empennage cover. I would say the quality is a little better but not enough to chose one over the other. My Macs cover has Velcro opening sections so I can get into the cockpit and/or baggage area without taking the cover off. I dont know if that is an option for Bruces or not.

My fuel flow, max power at sea level is 29 GPH