Marc_B

SOLD. L3 ESI-500 electronic standby indicator. SOLD. WAT Parmetheus Plus Taxi lights PAR36 28V. SOLD. True Blue Power high power USB charging port Model TA202.

BAS out here in Greeley, CO has a warehouse full of salvage parts. You might try seeing if they have something that might work. https://baspartsales.com/ (I have no affiliation with BAS other than they are on the field for me and have helped me out with information before)

@M20Doc SS vs Cadmium or Zinc plated? Any reason to not go stainless for these screws? Also, interestingly enough my IPC shows a grommet for the hole I guess...go figure, I've never seen anyone with the elastic grommets, but rather screw + countersunk washer. Marc. EDIT the items above listed for the M20K wingtip lenses (but broadly applicable for J onwards I think). But the IPC doesn’t show washer for wing mounted lenses for landing/taxi lights and lists S3 (vs S4 screws wingtip). But I have washers on both wingtip as well as landing light lenses.

@GeeBee looks like the project was scrapped and the hull was left in the backyard!

I’d be interested in the same. There are some good YouTube modules on garmin approaches and GTN, VNAV, etc. that coupled with going through the manuals I would think covers most. But wondering if the video series goes deeper into the weeds and nuance/advanced use??

That's kinda what I'm figuring...hopefully flight test sometime next week to confirm!

This looks surprisingly similar to schematic for long bodies. And it looks like the rudder trim assembly just connects by a bracket to the bellcranks. I think this seems to be a pretty simple addition. Any difference in control tube length would be accounted for by the cable assembly. I'd have to do a little investigation regarding how the trim indicator works with this. BUT, the fact that this hasn't been offered as an aftermarket upgrade seems to suggest that most short and mid body Mooney pilots don't feel a huge need for rudder trim??

Anyone have the IPC pages showing rudder trim parts and PN's for a long body?

I've got the cult movie Harley Davidson and the Marlboro Man in my head now..."It's better to be dead and cool, than alive and uncool." ha. Not quite the svelte solution I was thinking in my head. In my particular situation I already have a rudder trim indicator, just wondering what would be involved (if at all possible) in adding a switch and the Globe motor? Does a STC exist? could you get field approval? certainly one could show that other more modern evolutions of the M20 have this function. Aftermarket options: Aero Trim and S-Tec YD...any others?

Seems like short and mid bodies don’t typically have it. Long bodies added rudder trim along with the addition of more HP. Some in the middle had STEC yaw damper that doubled as rudder trim. Is there a path to add rudder trim if you don’t have it? Or to change to typical rocker switch with standard Globe rudder trim motor if you had to replace the STEC YD with a GFC500 install?

@PT20J I saw that thread. I think that most agree that the modern integrated YD makes sense. So the follow up questions are can the S-tec be set up as a stand alone rudder trim along side the GFC500 YD and if not, can a standard Mooney rudder trim motor be installed in a M20K? (and what would be entailed with that...) Working with my avionics shop and sent an email to Mooney to see... Of course the underlying base question is will I even miss a rudder trim? As an aside, the S-tec YD has 3 settings (on-off-auto) and I didn't realize til now that the auto was supposed to kick on when the AP was activated and off when it was off. But with the move to the GFC500 I'm not sure that would even still be the case if I kept the S-tec YD.

@LANCECASPER and @PT20J Would it change your mind if the S-Tec had already been taken out and the Garmin YD already installed?

So I guess short and mid bodies don’t have rudder trim but long bodies do. And for the Encores (maybe others?) Mooney added a STEC yaw damper that doubled as a rudder trim. However this won’t play with Garmin YD. So options are: 1) keep STEC yaw damper so I still have rudder trim and YD. 2) take out STEC and install Garmin YD and loose rudder trim (but have YD integrated with AP). 3) take out STEC, install Garmin YD and see about adding rudder trim motor and rocker switch ala long bodies. anyone have an idea on YD comparison between Garmin and STEC? Don’t really want to give up rudder trim but also know most mid bodies don’t even have it. #1 vs #2??? marc.

I have my M20K Encore at the shop for a GFC500 install with pitch trim and yaw damper. Sounds like they've run into a hiccough regarding the yaw damper. This Encore came from the factory with an S-TEC yaw damper (see original W&B sheet below). I found a reference from AOPA mentioning “Except for the addition of an S-Tec yaw damper/rudder trim system — greatly appreciated in those long climbs to the flight levels, the Encore's flight control system is pretty much unchanged from the 252.” The avionics shop mentioned: Mooney with electric rudder trim with third party YD are to typically work as independent systems together in the flight regime. Your plane however was rigged somehow when the STEC was installed they removed the factory rudder trim motor and rigged the STEC YD trim pot to the rudder indicator assuming to replace the rudder trim system factory installed. STEC has no provision for this and you are now missing the original factory rudder trim motor and rocker switch. GFC500 goes into these Mooneys with rudder trim no problem and they remain separated systems that is why there are no special instructions in the installation for doing anything with the Mooney rudder trim. The issue still arises that the Garmin YD does not operate in this way and will not act as your rudder trim and your YD. We can discuss more tomorrow at the office but options right now are no electric trim or add the Mooney rudder trim motor and switch to the aircraft. Are there any Encore pilots out there with the GFC500 and yaw damper? How did you address this? Is it accurate that I'd need to reinstall a Mooney rudder trim motor in order to install the GFC500? Currently I have a rotary knob for rudder trim L/R and below that a 3 position switch for On/Auto/Off for yaw damper. Verified on old pictures, came from the factory with same. Thanks, Marc.

I seem to remember someone else telling me the same thing as well as reading an article about filters that came to same conclusion...can't remember the details though.

So it's interesting to see the differences in the upper horizontal panel support even between M20K's. The 252 has a flat bracket that seems to have a little more clearance, plus has a single row annunciator panel. The M20K Encore has a more rigid tube bracket that takes up an extra 0.25" or so, not to mention a 2 row annunciator. M20K 252: M20K Encore: M20K Encore Original Annunciator:

Trying to find out details on the annunciator panel to fit in a radio stack with GMC507, GTN750Xi, GTN650Xi, and annunciator. My double row annunciator won’t fit. So wondering if I could replace with single row and if I could customize the indications to fit what I need? LASAR sells an annunciator without legend and not sure if this could be customized? Gear down, gear unsafe, starter, alt air, boost pump, pitot heat, prop heat, speed brake…8 indications which is single row. Other question is in my kinds of equipment list it has 2 fuel indications as well as 2 gear indications. Regarding fuel: Wondering if this is 2 meaning left and right, vs 2 meaning two indications for the left and two for the right? I have a MVP50 that has flags and indications for all the other existing annunciator lights.

To use G100UL you would have to purchase a STC from GAMI? vs FAA approves use of G100UL in all airframes in the AML as an alternative to 100LL?

@"Chocks" @Warren @PilotX You guys have any leads for hangars around Denver?

That‘a always part of my post landing checklist after I’m off the runway: lights (as required), flaps up, trim set for takeoff, mixture leaned, transponder to ground. Basically set up for next time, and verified as with my pre takeoff checklist. Good habits build good luck I think!

@Rob 201MSE What color/paint is the darker gray? Is it metallic? Nice work for a great looking Mooney!

Garmin Aera 796 with SiriusXM GXM40 antenna. Comes with bare wire connection, yoke mount, home dock with cradle. RAM ball mount clamp is partially broken (see pic) but still works (if you were inclined to replace entire mount clamp it would be $25 found easily online). Otherwise all equipment in great shape and works well. Battery replaced last year so still holds a charge well. Databases current as of last cycle (see pics). Getting some avionics work done and changing out the yoke mount. What you see in the pictures is what's included. $550 shipped priority flat rate in US only.

Weighing procedure actually is listed in my POH and gives a method with full fuel calculation, and a method of draining fuel completely and re-adding unusable fuel.

Looking to see if anyone has perfect packable, lightweight, good range, electric solutions to throw in the back of the Mooney for day trips. I’ve seen electronic scooters, folding bikes, skateboards. But having a hard time figuring out which ones fit the bill for the Mooney. Good range, easy to load/packable, reasonably priced. Would likely need 2…but not sure if you can double up?? Lots of things found online but hard to “try it before you buy it.” Last thread about this I found here was 2 years ago and seemed that rec was for E-Twow. Around $1amu. Still best choice?? thanks!

Also I’m sure you could contact Colorado Pilots Association to connect you to an instructor. I flew with a gentleman in Longmont, Don Dolce, who previously flew a 231. It was more of a personal tour guide and experience resource rather than flight instructor for the flight.