DS1980

Seeing an exotic car that's driven so little it has a battery tender hooked to it......criminal. Yes, yes, panel, paint, interior...all great. How does it fly???????????

5 characters? All the ones I can think of have 4. Give us a hint!!! Shad-Nothing comparable to someone that knows what they are looking at take a look. If that's not you, tell the potential buyer. I know I wouldn't know what exactly to look at. It would be tough to say it was good and then have them find something expensive or for somebody to get hurt in an airplane that was repaired improperly and finally gave up the ghost 11 years later.

I see the first Mr. A. Both look good.

I know it's a broad statement, and it doesn't directly answer your question, but it's most likely in the engine management techniques of the previous owners. Also, it is more difficult to operate those deep breathing engines. If a pilot doesn't know what they are doing, they can hurt the engine very badly one time, or slowly hurt it over time. I've seen engines that needed a top at the 400-500 hour marks like you're seeing. I've seen engines with 1800 hours on them that are a thing of beauty inside. A popular thought is that Continentals burn up cylinders, and Lycomings burn up camshafts. But really, it's all on the pilot. Have you had problems in the past with cylinders?

I say these things to further the discussion. I did the same thing to mooniac15u in the exact same discussion. I wanted Pete to continue to explain why he thought Vne was a TAS, but instead he was shot down. I wanted it to progress to the point where the discussion turned to WHY is Vne, not WHAT. It never made it there. I will reiterate that even suggesting someone do something dangerous in their airplane to make a point is still pushing the limits. Of course Vne is an IAS. It's also worthless to think of it in this manner. I have been asked many times about what my avatar is. I have helped more people sort out LOP and engine operation than you know. Shadrach, I enjoy the hell out of you. I completely respect you as a pilot and a person. We would kick ass in a bar fight.

A place of learning........ How do the last few posts promote this?

At least I'm not suggesting somebody take their airplane to 15,000 feet and kill themselves to determine the flutter speed of their aircraft. Too far.

Not a cop out. It's choosing battles. This was already extensively covered in a previous thread. mooniac15u....remember me??? Vne is by far the most confusing speed. It's marked on the indicator because it has to be. How it's calculated and what it's derived from isn't always clear. Yes, it's an IAS, but it does have TAS considerations. And it does change with conditions. I had my fun. Pete, you're not wrong, and you're not right. There's only a few people from every manufacturer that knows the story of how they decided on the Vne of their airplane. The bottom line of Vne is that it will keep you safe if you're below the service ceiling of your plane.

Nah, you've already made your mind up. You've gone this long without killing yourself, so I don't see it as an issue of satey.

I like this discussion. Lots of explanation and patience on both sides.....input eyes rolling emoticon here. Wondering what happens when folks realize Vne is TAS. Proud of Pete for sticking to his guns.

Where is the mention of installing the oil filter in accordance with the instructions of the manufacturer? Chris - Gross dude. Gross.

The hand prop is no problem. The wooden structures have AMOCs that allow a much easier inspection. There is also a new company that is making the Lycoming engines as 0 time.

How? You might have some very interested people.

And how is right traffic a "stupid" thing? There are some airports that require "RP"

We get them a few times a week at KDEN. We had multiple reports from aircraft on final approach the other day. Either they are large drones, or very close, or both. The problem with these things is they can't be tracked. We will probably never catch the operators, even just to educated them. I think a drone operator should have to have a pilots license, or the FAA should issue a certificate showing the operator is familiar with airspace. Just like flying model airplanes. "Must be an AMA member and be showing credentials to fly at our airfield."

Just......don't even start.

I will never understand the costs of painting a plane. It's just a shed that goes 200 MPH. Oh, and has a few less old videos of strippers.

Get back into the airplane and go flying. If you dwell on it, fear will set in after the anger at yourself. I took the "8 second ride" in a Mooney and thought it would be great to take a break and reflect. I couldn't get into an airplane for 2 years. When the doubt sets in, you're done for a while.

Oops, ran outta popcorn.

Does it have a compartment for a first aid kit?

Flying for cheaper gas - incorrect Flying for nubial women - correct.

It makes me wonder what else Mooney pilots use as not designed. Do they use their self-propelled lawnmower as a car? Toaster as a space heater? Bars of gold as paperweights? I'm sure these sound ridiculous! Name something you did 40 years ago you do the same way now.

Try a company like Fibrenew next time. They offer a mobile service and will be a fraction of what you just paid.

Well done Shadrach. Brought a little tear to my eye.

For free? A few hours of your time and Google Translator.