Great E/J Clone for Sale

[Echo]

https://www.controller.com/listing/for-sale/250893789/1965-mooney-m20e-super-21-piston-single-aircraft

[Jackk]

Seems it belongs to a ATP helicopter ATP/ CPL fixed wing guy 

Address comes back to a 1.5M CA property owned by someone with a very different name, so maybe a renter?

 

 Only seems to have owned the plane for a year or two

Edited December 13 by Jackk

[Flyler]

Awesome plane with a surely pesky yellow arc in the ASI.

[Echo]

1 hour ago, Flyler said:

Awesome plane with a surely pesky yellow arc in the ASI.

Definitely a "deal breaker"  

[Echo]

3 hours ago, Jackk said:

Seems it belongs to a ATP helicopter ATP/ CPL fixed wing guy 

Address comes back to a 1.5M CA property owned by someone with a very different name, so maybe a renter?

 

 Only seems to have owned the plane for a year or two

It is being sold by Jimmy G...So pretty solid broker there.  Almost double the time of my airframe, but she's a looker.

[Jackk]

60yrs old with those hours is only 100hrs per year, half that is like 50 hrs per year, when does it qualify as “sitting”?

[AndreiC]

The panel has one interesting feature, not sure I know how it's done. The old analog oil pressure, temp, volts, etc have been replaced by some digital instruments, but I did not think those are usually approved as primary. I wonder how that was approved?

[Andy95W]

Thats a really good question. The digital Oil pressure, and temperature might be TSO’ed.  Same for the fuel levels.  Amperage indications don’t even have a TSO, so that is kind of a “Meh” thing.  The CHT is another matter.  The EDM is not certified to replace a primary CHT, so that would need a Field Approval before I signed it off.  Most A&P/IAs I know would agree, but I bet it just got a logbook entry.

Odder still is the vacuum gauge and the indicator light for low vacuum installed in an airplane that doesn’t have any vacuum instruments or Brittain wing leveler.  I couldn’t tell if the speed brakes were vacuum driven.

[Echo]

1 hour ago, Andy95W said:

Thats a really good question. The digital Oil pressure, and temperature might be TSO’ed.  Same for the fuel levels.  Amperage indications don’t even have a TSO, so that is kind of a “Meh” thing.  The CHT is another matter.  The EDM is not certified to replace a primary CHT, so that would need a Field Approval before I signed it off.  Most A&P/IAs I know would agree, but I bet it just got a logbook entry.

Odder still is the vacuum gauge and the indicator light for low vacuum installed in an airplane that doesn’t have any vacuum instruments or Brittain wing leveler.  I couldn’t tell if the speed brakes were vacuum driven.

My bad.  I guess she's a P.O.S...

[Echo]

1 hour ago, Andy95W said:

Thats a really good question. The digital Oil pressure, and temperature might be TSO’ed.  Same for the fuel levels.  Amperage indications don’t even have a TSO, so that is kind of a “Meh” thing.  The CHT is another matter.  The EDM is not certified to replace a primary CHT, so that would need a Field Approval before I signed it off.  Most A&P/IAs I know would agree, but I bet it just got a logbook entry.

Odder still is the vacuum gauge and the indicator light for low vacuum installed in an airplane that doesn’t have any vacuum instruments or Brittain wing leveler.  I couldn’t tell if the speed brakes were vacuum driven.

I think you are wrong on the edm 711 NOT being primary for cylinder temp based on my quick research.

[Aaviationist]

The 700 is not acceptable to replace primary or required instruments. The 711 is. 
 

if it’s a 700 and the oil readings,  cht temp have been removed, it is not a legal installation. 
 

There is no guidance or approved data that can be used for a field approval when the guidance and data from the manufacturer say it “cannot be used to replace required instruments and in for information only”

[Andy95W]

10 hours ago, Echo said:

My bad.  I guess she's a P.O.S...

I never said that, Scott.  I thought it looked like a nice airplane.  Just curious about some of the instruments. And if it is a 711, that explains the CHT removal.  All good questions to check the logbooks for answers.

[Echo]

10 minutes ago, Andy95W said:

I never said that, Scott.  I thought it looked like a nice airplane.  Just curious about some of the instruments. And if it is a 711, that explains the CHT removal.  All good questions to check the logbooks for answers.

I know.  Teasing.

[Flyler]

If someone is interested in this plane, I know of another that is very similar.  Has all the J mods and motor, done by LASAR.  Plane is pickled and oiled, up on jacks in a hangar in California.  Before I bought my 201, the owner mentioned he was looking to sell it.  It would be a project as it has not flown in quite a few years, but from all the information I gathered, the owner did a proper job of preserving the plane.  He owns a machine shop, races cars, etc., seems like he would be a better steward than the average Joe in that department.  Anyhow, if this post pops up in someone's search please DM me and maybe I can put you in touch.

[Echo]

57 minutes ago, Aaviationist said:

The 700 is not acceptable to replace primary or required instruments. The 711 is. 
 

if it’s a 700 and the oil readings,  cht temp have been removed, it is not a legal installation. 
 

There is no guidance or approved data that can be used for a field approval when the guidance and data from the manufacturer say it “cannot be used to replace required instruments and in for information only”

And it IS a 711 so there is that...

[Echo]

Retractable step would be a reason to retain the vacuum and I bet the speed brakes are vacuum.  I believe later model brakes were electric, but were first vacuum powered.

[Echo]

Love the auto-pilot and the interior.  The lower dash was originally (mine still has it) this wonky gold tone.  That black with lighter color above pops.  REALLY nice carpet throughout.  The side panels and gear housing are really tasteful.  These are my favorite seats ever on a vintage plane.  I LOVE the leather with the light patina.  Visually the cowl with wing landing light is so elegantly smooth.  Just beautiful.  The windscreen is the South Texas Aviation design that retains avionics access.  Somebody is going to get a beautiful airplane in this E.  Had it been available I would of been really tempted for the extra coin over mine.

[TaildraggerPilot]

This E makes me feel like mine is undervalued / under insured. 

[Shadrach]

On 12/14/2025 at 6:50 PM, TaildraggerPilot said:

This E makes me feel like mine is undervalued / under insured. 

It probably is. Much of the fleet is underinsured.

[ArtVandelay]

I wonder what the useful load is?

[Aaviationist]

12 hours ago, Shadrach said:

It probably is. Much of the fleet is underinsured.

Let’s go ahead and disagree. I’d say a well cared for mid time E with average equipment list is probably a 70k airplane. 

[Echo]

On 12/14/2025 at 5:50 PM, TaildraggerPilot said:

This E makes me feel like mine is undervalued / under insured. 

Can you elaborate as to why you feel this way?

[Echo]

1 hour ago, Aaviationist said:

Let’s go ahead and disagree. I’d say a well cared for mid time E with average equipment list is probably a 70k airplane. 

What are you saying with regard to this plane and it's pricing?  Take the "guess work" out of it for me here.

[0TreeLemur]

I'll bet it's fast.   J speed mods on a short body.   @Echo what does it cruise at say best power mixture between 8,000 and 10,000?

[Echo]

1 hour ago, 0TreeLemur said:

I'll bet it's fast.   J speed mods on a short body.   @Echo what does it cruise at say best power mixture between 8,000 and 10,000?

I dunno.  My plane will do 150-165 knots true above 7500' burning 10-11gph.  Mine and this plane are about identical regarding mods, but this plane has better paint, interior and avionics.  This plane is my favorite short body all time.  I don't need/want (cost) the most wizz-bang avionics.  I just wish I had this Stek with altitude hold in my plane.  Unfortunately that is not doable for a reasonable cost.  If only you could retrofit Stek from one vintage plane to another...Liability/lawyers and a litigous society prevent this.  Sad.  That said, when my plane is trimmed with Accu-Flite set it is pretty hands off in cruise.