OP ED-"Little Timmy Wants to Know Why Nobody Likes Airplanes Anymore?

[John Pleisse]

That rumbling sound is your Founding Fathers spinning in their graves. When interested money (for whatever cause) has more power than the voter, the ol' Republic would appear to be in peril...

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Well, something tells me there will be a virtual non-likelihood of it being fixed before 2016.

[rob]

 

So you are saying people should pick a party based on its likelihood of winning?

No.

[BorealOne]

Well, something tells me there will be a virtual non-likelihood of it being fixed before 2016.

Or thereafter - if one election can be bought, so can all the others. Elections in America may well become the monied-interest version of an arms race.

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[BorealOne]

I read the "history link" on interstate system. Still not seeing it as a socialism. Taxes from States and Federal government (from gas sales taxes) were/are used to support the system. "User FUEL taxes". Fine with me. I want General Aviation to continue to be supported in the same manner...

Sounds a heck of a lot like what you've described as 'socialism' elsewhere. Why is it capitalist to pay taxes to a Big Government for a road, and not for health care?

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[jkhirsch]

Here's my overgeneralized, sweeping statement for this page:

 

Because if you pay taxes and don't use the healthcare, you are a subsidizing the entire population of idiots that our entitlement programs have created; furthermore you are creating an economic disincentive for them to do anything with their life.

 

I'd make a bet that all of us have used an Interstate before.

 

If you take public policy and use some fairly basic economic models everything becomes much more clear.

 

Then the debate truly is, do you think it's good to subsidize people and create economic disincentives?

[AndyFromCB]

Here's my overgeneralized, sweeping statement for this page:

 

Because if you pay taxes and don't use the healthcare, you are a subsidizing the entire population of idiots that our entitlement programs have created; furthermore you are creating an economic disincentive for them to do anything with their life.

 

I'd make a bet that all of us have used an Interstate before.

 

If you take public policy and use some fairly basic economic models everything becomes much more clear.

 

Then the debate truly is, do you think it's good to subsidize people and create economic disincentives?

 

So they don't come to my neighborhood with pitchforks. As simple as that. I don't think we created the generation of idiots. The idiots have always been with us. Talked to a checkout girl yesterday at supermarket. Nice girl. Dumb, fat and ugly, thought. Basically nothing going for her at all, other than being nice. You can send her to all the schools in the world and she will never be worth more than minimum wage. There is nothing she can make with her life. Even at minimum wage she might be overpriced. However, it does not mean, that we as a society should accept that she should not have access to basic level of health care and that she should go bankrupt if she ever breaks a leg and gets stuck with an ER bill for 2 hours of services exceeding her entire earnings for a year. That's what makes a society. Most people here were born on third base and think they hit a home run and think that all societal ills are strictly the fault of those suffering from them due to lack of personal responsibly. Unfortunately, it does not work like that as children don't ask to be brought into this world.

[John Pleisse]

Here's my overgeneralized, sweeping statement for this page:

 

Because if you pay taxes and don't use the healthcare, you are a subsidizing the entire population of idiots that our entitlement programs have created; furthermore you are creating an economic disincentive for them to do anything with their life.

 

I'd make a bet that all of us have used an Interstate before.

 

If you take public policy and use some fairly basic economic models everything becomes much more clear.

 

Then the debate truly is, do you think it's good to subsidize people and create economic disincentives?

 

 

I don't mind subsidizing the people who need it. What I do mind is budget shifting and power-grab, massive entitlements to do it. There is nothing the government does that provides incentive other than 8-A's (fair and just), tax breaks and few political cheerleaders. Incentive in government speak is what is known as a "subsidy". 

[rob]

I'm sorry, but can someone please find me a person who didn't ever use healthcare??? I'm not talking about this year, or last year, or even this decade. I'm talking about ever.

 

I could easily find you hundreds if not thousands of people who have never and will never use an Interstate. Most inner-city folks fit that bill, and about the entire population of rural Mississippi, or SW Kansas, etc. But I seriously doubt you can march out many folks who've never, not even once, used healthcare.

 

Like Andy hinted towards, I think a lot of people live in complete ignorance of how poor our poor are. There are millions of Americans who have never left the state in which they were born, never owned a car, etc. I've met people who have never been more than 5 miles from where they were born. It's not uncommon in some parts of the country. 

[John Pleisse]

Rob...you did purchase health through the ACA, right?

[scottfromiowa]

I'm sorry, but can someone please find me a person who didn't ever use healthcare??? I'm not talking about this year, or last year, or even this decade. I'm talking about ever.

 

I could easily find you hundreds if not thousands of people who have never and will never use an Interstate. Most inner-city folks fit that bill, and about the entire population of rural Mississippi, or SW Kansas, etc. But I seriously doubt you can march out many folks who've never, not even once, used healthcare.

 

Like Andy hinted towards, I think a lot of people live in complete ignorance of how poor our poor are. There are millions of Americans who have never left the state in which they were born, never owned a car, etc. I've met people who have never been more than 5 miles from where they were born. It's not uncommon in some parts of the country.

And if they don't buy gas?

[John Pleisse]

What was wrong with the old plane?

 

http://news.yahoo.com/u-air-force-picks-boeing-747-8-replace-200607308--finance.html

 

 

They have two of them, one of which was put in service in 1990. It's time.

[John Pleisse]

So they don't come to my neighborhood with pitchforks. As simple as that. I don't think we created the generation of idiots. The idiots have always been with us. Talked to a checkout girl yesterday at supermarket. Nice girl. Dumb, fat and ugly, thought. Basically nothing going for her at all, other than being nice. You can send her to all the schools in the world and she will never be worth more than minimum wage. There is nothing she can make with her life. Even at minimum wage she might be overpriced. However, it does not mean, that we as a society should accept that she should not have access to basic level of health care and that she should go bankrupt if she ever breaks a leg and gets stuck with an ER bill for 2 hours of services exceeding her entire earnings for a year. That's what makes a society. Most people here were born on third base and think they hit a home run and think that all societal ills are strictly the fault of those suffering from them due to lack of personal responsibly. Unfortunately, it does not work like that as children don't ask to be brought into this world.

 

 

Your entire analysis is disqualified by your arrogance. You have to have a qualifier first to prop yourself up. Great comments, but calling someone dumb, fat and ugly, discredits everything that comes from your keyboard after that. I think "personal responsibility" should be shifted from the poor among us to the "well to-do liberals" who see them selves with all the answers as they fly above the radar. Moral responsibility can't be minced with moral superiority or, basic inferiority.

[AndyFromCB]

We agree to disagree...

I buy fuel as anyone that uses public roads. I am taxed for construction and maintenace for the roads.

I and my employer pay my own healthcare premium.

ObamaCare was/is a poor attempt at governmental healthcare. I did not want the government (beyond what was already provided) to provide healthcare. I don't want single payer government controlled healthcare.

If "poor" operate a vehicle on public roads they buy gas. They "PAY for the roads they use"...like everyone else. It is a tax for use vs. a subsidized system.

When I was married at 21 I worked 35 hours a week in a deli within a supermarket. I paid for health insurance. The checker in Andy's example could have had health insurance.

Under Obama I have the requirement to continue to pay for my adult offspring's insurance. Why?

Those that continue to defend it fine. The launch and messed up computer system...The reklease of subscribers personal information...the deferments and exemptions...the mandate...

It is A MESS.

GET RID OF IT.

 

Scott,

 

Almost correct. If that checker is a young lady, then yes, she could possibly have health insurance but let's run the numbers, let's say she works two part time jobs (30 and 20, as many employers refuse to hire full time):

 

30 x 8 + 20 x 8  = $400 a week, minus payroll tax, and we will assume she will pay a combined 8% state and federal rate, so about 15% of check going to taxes which leaves about $350 a week so a total of $1400 a week take home pay. If she is young, her insurance premium would be about 200 a month but if she is older, her insurance premium could actually exceed $1400 a month. That's pretty easy to do. So a hard working american girl who just happens not to be the brightest could not afford insurance and anything else. Even a young girl paying only 200, which leaves her with only 1200 a month to live on. Let's say she has two  roommates: 1400 - 200 (health insurance) - 250 (rent and utilities), we are down to 950 a month before car, car insurance (since we don't have decent public transit), so let's say 300 a month to have reliable transportation and gas, leaving her with 650 to live on, including paying for any healthcare necessary. 

 

I think you're confusing the fact that you now can for your offspring until age of 26 with that fact that you have to. You have that option. There is no requirement.

[AndyFromCB]

Your entire analysis is disqualified by your arrogance. You have to have a qualifier first to prop yourself up. Great comments, but calling someone dumb, fat and ugly, discredits everything that comes from your keyboard after that. I think "personal responsibility" should be shifted from the poor among us to the "well to-do liberals" who see them selves with all the answers as they fly above the radar. Moral responsibility can't be minced with moral superiority or, basic inferiority.

Math don't lie, see above. I might be arrogant, but you are being purposefully "ignorant" of realities of being poor in America. I know I was born on third base. I owe everything to my genetics and up bringing and don't deny it. My parents were educated folks who never screamed at me when I asked too many questions, bought me every book I've ever wanted, we never went hungry, we went on many vacations to many interesting places. 

 

Me stating she was fat, dumb and ugly somehow offends your sensibilities. I don't sugarcoat. John, reality always offends your sensibilities. I have noticed that. That is what she was. Not her fault. Her parents could not afford braces, she was fat because she never lived in a household where people cooked, I could tell by the fact she didn't know what half the vegetables I was buying were and she was dumb, well, because of genetic and probably educational factors. Children who grow up poor loose IQ points. Many studies on that.

[carusoam]

Buying elections is a tradition...

The newspapers and broadcasters both agree...

Even Timmy knows what the Op-Ed page(s) are for.

Political advertisements are modern day financial weapons.

Political buttons have come a long way since they printed 'I like Ike'.

Audi club fans love their uber turbos. The block is so stout, they double the output of the engine by increasing turbo and heat exchanger sizes.

Funny to see an engineer pull an engine out of the family car for a weekend project.

[scottfromiowa]

Answer this for me Andy-Are you entirely self-made on your wealth?

Did you build up your toys entirely by yourself?

You have stated you are in your mid 30's and that you have no problem with government generational theft. (Taking by government of already taxed property/money that has been earned vs. inheritance to those that would receive from their parents etc.)

If yes. Good for you. If you wish to have your wealth go to the government upon your death...Fine.

Why should the government get what was lawfully earned and taxed?

Why shouldn't the property go to those that the earner wants to have without a massive tax/penalty?

[flyboy0681]

Your entire analysis is disqualified by your arrogance. You have to have a qualifier first to prop yourself up. Great comments, but calling someone dumb, fat and ugly, discredits everything that comes from your keyboard after that. I think "personal responsibility" should be shifted from the poor among us to the "well to-do liberals" who see them selves with all the answers as they fly above the radar. Moral responsibility can't be minced with moral superiority or, basic inferiority.

 

While looks can and does play a role in career advancement, I've always felt it's what you know and not how you look. I've worked with some fairly homely women in my day, but their brilliance is what set them apart, not their looks. 

[John Pleisse]

Math don't lie, see above. I might be arrogant, but you are being purposefully "ignorant" of realities of being poor in America. I know I was born on third base. I owe everything to my genetics and up bringing and don't deny it. My parents were educated folks who never screamed at me when I asked too many questions, bought me every book I've ever wanted, we never went hungry, we went on many vacations to many interesting places. 

 

Yes... earlier in this thread it was you who said birthing for illegal immigrants only cost us $2,800 ea. I put my money and time where my mouth is. I have devoted more of myself to Catholic charities than your TBM fuel bill last year. You're brushing broad strokes here. You look at your software data, present it as fact, remind us "you are in the business"....make grandiose proclamations and then finally see it is more complicated. Ignorance?

[John Pleisse]

While looks can and does play a role in career advancement, I've always felt it's what you know and not how you look. I've worked with some fairly homely women in my day, but their brilliance is what set them apart, not their looks. 

 

I have woken up next to a few.

[scottfromiowa]

So why even go there? (How people look). It just lends nothing to the conversation. It is just bashing and looking down for what? Self satisfaction? I don't get that at all.

I gave an example of how I had insurance...worked...and was going to school full-time. I know, regressive. There was a way to pay for school and live "prior" to Obama. I did it. It is still there for those that want to work.

[carusoam]

When you were on third....

Did you ever get angry with the kid striking out behind you at the plate?

All he needed would be some primary level training on how to make contact with the ball...

You would be home free had you threw the poor deprived kid a bone.

Northrop Grumman is advertising on TV today. Anyone have money to invest?

[AndyFromCB]

Answer this for me Andy-Are you entirely self-made on your wealth?

Did you build up your toys entirely by yourself?

You have stated you are in your mid 30's and that you have no problem with government generational theft. (Taking by government of already taxed property/money that has been earned vs. inheritance to those that would receive from their parents etc.)

If yes. Good for you. If you wish to have your wealth go to the government upon your death...Fine.

Why should the government get what was lawfully earned and taxed?

Why shouldn't the property go to those that the earner wants to have without a massive tax/penalty?

 

Scott,

 

One, I was being a bit of a pain when I stated I supported 100% inheritance tax. Obviously I don't. However, these dynasties were have, both on the left (kennedy) and on the right (koch) are going to be the end of the republic.

 

As to what I got from my parents: great childhood, great education and seriously $50 when I moved out at 19. My parents are by no means wealthy. I slip them a big check each Christmas. 

 

Neither am I. I can afford some toys but I have to keep on working to support them. Wealthy to me means $30million in the bank.

 

I have woken up next to a few.

 

So have I.

 

Yes... earlier in this thread it was you who said birthing for illegal immigrants only cost us $2,800 ea. I put my money and time where my mouth is. I have devoted more of myself to Catholic charities than your TBM fuel bill last year. You're brushing broad strokes here. You look at your software data, present it as fact, remind us "you are in the business"....make grandiose proclamations and then finally see it is more complicated. Ignorance?

 

John,

 

You're as guilty of this as I am. Lowering taxes and reducing regulation solves everything in your world. When you throw examples like that, I throw 100% inheritance tax. Yes, things are complicated. But I don't seem to lose my shit everytime a Republican gets elected president. 

[scottfromiowa]

How about that awesome cash grab redistribution with the college savings plan tax idea? I would love to see a photo of the who was behind that. Give a face to it.

We and my kids grandparents saved from when they were born for their college tuition. A little at a time over 21 years adds up.

What's next? Stay tuned for cash grab redistribution USA style.

[AndyFromCB]

So why even go there? (How people look). It just lends nothing to the conversation. It is just bashing and looking down for what? Self satisfaction? I don't get that at all.

I gave an example of how I had insurance...worked...and was going to school full-time. I know, regressive. There was a way to pay for school and live "prior" to Obama. I did it. It is still there for those that want to work.

 

I posted a photo of me few threads back. I am far from "pretty". 

[flyboy0681]

I gave an example of how I had insurance...worked...and was going to school full-time. I know, regressive. There was a way to pay for school and live "prior" to Obama. I did it. It is still there for those that want to work.

 

I commend you, but you have to keep one thing in perspective. Up until the mid 90's, insurance was "relatively" affordable and those who the insurers would accept and you didn't pay an arm and a leg as we do now. What I'm getting at is that a person who had an even modest income through the mid 90's was still able to afford coverage.