Carl S

If I were to sell my 94 MSE or sell shares in it I would start the value out $170K. Yep, that is certianly in the M20K territory and close to some Mooneys that came out after mine did. I may be absurd, crazy, or the like but I have a certian pride of ownership and if that price were to scare off some buyers looking for the cheapest plane out there -- so be it. I don't need to waste my time answering those phone calls anyway. -Carl

Quote: fantom 162 kts.....8,500 ft, 100 ROP, 10.3 GPH or, 155kts on 9.2 GPH about 20 LOP. Trading up is your best option, IMHO.

Keep working the business plan Seth. I think the DC, northern VA, MD area may just have the demographics you need to pull something like this off. If you could get another T-6 owner involved and hybridize what that Florida group have going you might have something great.

It sounds like an interesting project. I am just trying to understand some of your numbers. 15 people wuth a $12.5K by in means the corporation has $187,500 in initial capital. That is to purchase both aircraft, initiate the lease on hangar space, and initiate the corporation? 15 people with a monthly $450 payment would give the corporation $6750 per month operating capital. That would cover hangar and insurance plus anual inspection (-repairs)? (e.g.) $300 per hour for the T-6 would cover Gas, oil, tires, engine/prop/avionics reserve and maintainance reserve? (e.g.) $70 per hour for the trainer (Maybe an L4 or a Vans RV-X) would cover Gas, oil, tires, engine/prop/avionics reserve and maintainance reserve? (e.g.) Is there a minimum number of hours per month that the corporation expects the T-6 to fly for break even or is that covered in the $450/month? Would there be a minimum required number of hours per month per pilot? (Aside from the two hours in trainer time?) If I understand correctly, for an example, the cost to play would be $450 + $140 (trainer time) + 300(n) where n is hours in the T-6, or $890 for the first hour of T-6 time. (Two hours would be about $1190 or $595/hr -- three hours $1490 or 496/hr). I know trainer time could be taken out if one flew the T-6 2 hrs per month, and that there are other permutations of the formula for T-6 actual cost per hour. If I were investing in the business model I'd want to know that the demographics of the area showed a confluence of people with large disposable incomes and love of aviation. I'd like to know that my investment was nt bound for chapter 7, 11, 13, or the like. Sure, flying out a couple of hours for an $1800 dollar hamburger would be great fun. However it's something that a specialized segment of society is going to be able to afford. If you are counting on the majority of the share holders to fly only the trainer then the areas demographics can fall to the sub $100,000 crowd. There may be a market for that. However the $450 portion of the fixed costs may drive some of them away. Still, it could work and it is an interesting excercise in planning and project management. I wish you luck and sucess!

Quote: peter Neither the memo, or FAA order 8900.1 speak to where the EFIS is installed when saying an STC is required. I suppose you could seek an STC to install the uncertified device in the copilot panel, and see if FAA engineering agrees if a device in that location needed not have a TSO. I'm not familiar with this aircraft cockpit - is it possible that it is a warbird, or a public use aircraft. Neither of those classes of aircraft need to comply with the FARs.

Quote: peter Not allowed. Instruments that perform a function where the function is required by the rules (as opposed to functions that are not required by the rules, like a GPS map) must be approved instruments - e.g. TSO or PMA with installation approval. An uncertified EFIS, even if placarded as "supplemental", is considered to be of such a compelling nature that it would be the de facto primary instrument, and not supplemental.

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Quote: Mitch Station Manager, Arthur Carlson must have just assumed he was dealing with Wild Turkeys that day. Funny!

Plus one on replacing with a vertical card compass. I did that a few months ago. The VCC does hang in a slightly different location than the old compass but overall the change is well worth it. <e> See if your mechanic will let you remove and replace (under supervision). It is an easy job, can save you a few dollars, and boost your pride of ownership. </e>

Quote: Jeff_S I run a Mac so MSFX has never been available, but I've used X-Plane for years a....

Looks like the disk might be full, I get an HTTP 500 return code when I try to attach a photo in-line with this message. Probably a temporary glitch that will be corrected in the next few days. "There was an error with your photo upload. This could be caused by a server error or perhaps you attemped to upload corrupt files or improper image formats." 500 There is not enough space on the disk java.io.IOException: There is not enough space on the disk at java.io.FileOutputStream.writeBytes(Native Method) at java.io.FileOutputStream.write(FileOutputStream.java:260) at java.io.BufferedOutputStream.write(BufferedOutputStream.java:105) at com.oreilly.servlet.multipart.FilePart.write(FilePart.java:252) at com.oreilly.servlet.multipart.FilePart.writeTo(FilePart.java:210) at coldfusion.filter.FormScope.fillForm(FormScope.java:234) at coldfusion.filter.FusionContext.SymTab_initForRequest(FusionContext.java:438) at coldfusion.filter.GlobalsFilter.invoke(GlobalsFilter.java:33) at coldfusion.filter.DatasourceFilter.invoke(DatasourceFilter.java:22) at coldfusion.filter.RequestThrottleFilter.invoke(RequestThrottleFilter.java:126) at coldfusion.CfmServlet.service(CfmServlet.java:198) at coldfusion.bootstrap.BootstrapServlet.service(BootstrapServlet.java:89) at jrun.servlet.FilterChain.doFilter(FilterChain.java:86) at coldfusion.monitor.event.MonitoringServletFilter.doFilter(MonitoringServletFilter.java:42) at coldfusion.bootstrap.BootstrapFilter.doFilter(BootstrapFilter.java:46) at jrun.servlet.FilterChain.doFilter(FilterChain.java:94) at jrun.servlet.FilterChain.service(FilterChain.java:101) at jrun.servlet.ServletInvoker.invoke(ServletInvoker.java:106) at jrun.servlet.JRunInvokerChain.invokeNext(JRunInvokerChain.java:42) at jrun.servlet.JRunRequestDispatcher.invoke(JRunRequestDispatcher.java:286) at jrun.servlet.ServletEngineService.dispatch(ServletEngineService.java:543) at jrun.servlet.jrpp.JRunProxyService.invokeRunnable(JRunProxyService.java:203) at jrunx.scheduler.ThreadPool$DownstreamMetrics.invokeRunnable(ThreadPool.java:320) at jrunx.scheduler.ThreadPool$ThreadThrottle.invokeRunnable(ThreadPool.java:428) at jrunx.scheduler.ThreadPool$UpstreamMetrics.invokeRunnable(ThreadPool.java:266) at jrunx.scheduler.WorkerThread.run(WorkerThread.java:66)

Thanks for the update and for the other input. When I bought my J it already had some extensive leading edge paint flaking. I'd like to keep it from getting worse until I can spruce up the leading edges. If I understand correctly, the tape may help to keep what I have but will involve a little effort and judicious chemical application when I am ready for touch up.

I am thinking that the exhaust soot and moisture probably are not great things to be pumping into the engine compartment. Add to that the possibility of CO migrating into the cabin and I think I'd stick with an heat exchanger. YMMV.