Missile=Awesome

Bottom line: In using the M20R Cruise Power Settings the 22.0MP and 2400RPM (65% Power) suggests a fuel flow of 12.3GPH...Rocket Engineering was at 15.7GPH. That 15.7 suggestion at 7500’ is OFF the chart you provided -a- The 15.7 approaches a Max recommended fuel flow setting in chart (16.4gph). What I am learning (and I believe is where you operate) peak is a fine place to be and a good balance between economy and Max/75% for operation. This was a good exercise for me. Is it any wonder people are challenged to attain “safe” power settings when Bushe and Deakon don’t provide detailed settings and in my case Rocket was recommending adverse settings for operation. I guess it is “good” for cylinder business as you say -a-...(Have some extra’s around) if you want to fly at 75% to Max...Scott

Forgive my ignorance, but this reads like “code” to me. What do these mean? I punched in the address and it gives a list of google sites with you talking about three product groups...The seal baffles are NOT listed? Other stuff is FAA saying not approved...which I thought you HAD gained approval so why are these searches coming up at top when GEEBEE is searched? Interested in process to order and pricing...but coming up empty. Do you need to have the baffles in hand to produce as this is a custom design/unique cowling/baffling through Rocket Engineering vs. a stock Mooney application? Lot’s of questions...Not seeing answers. Please clarify in “layman” terms. I will be having an A&P do install.

Clearly you do not care for my reply -a-. There was a similar discussion in another thread where safety was, in my opinion, inserted where it did NOT belong. My point being: There is an effective spot to insert the value of training and maintenance in reducing risk exposure. There is also a spot where it is just not effective. This was a highly experienced pilot that crashed and passed. A tragedy. Do you have any specific area based on information provided for me to become more focused? My assumption with someone that is experienced is that he/she will have a vast amount of knowledge working IN THEIR FAVOR. Vigilance is a buzz word to me. Nebulous. This aviator knew a lot and he died. My takeaway from that is: regardless of controls there are uncontrolled areas that can take us all and fate is the hunter. Zero Accidents, Injury Free, All accidents are preventable are words/goals/truisms...”But” people are still dying and that is sad. I will try and stay vigilant though... My suggestion to Cedar Rapidians is: If you don’t know how to use a chain saw...DON’T USE ONE. (Based on Deratio incidents)

20 degrees LOP -a- Max Fuel Flow adjustment next week at annual. (I have checked and totalizer is reading accurately (k factor) Would prefer to keep six I have for a good long time That is primary reason for this thread.

Thank you for the chart -a- as the “original poster” it is both helpful and baffling. The “baffling” part is that the Rocket Engineering suggested power settings are “OFF THE CHART” i.e. NOT recommended. (Either at 6k’ and 7 isn’t listed) It was an “experiment”...Understand pouring more fuel and reducing power to address, but NEITHER would of done what I wanted for an acceptable return on the investment (fuel=neg$) (less power=neg speed). Your chart is the best example of guidance for operating the engine I have found thus far. Much appreciated.

We have older PS audio panel with plug on panel for phone and music. Working well so not tempted

Thanks for info. We are going into annual next week. I will discuss with our A&P. Scott

Thanks much! I do not have GEEBEE baffles. Where to obtain? I have a j/Missile. Does he have them? Contact?

Are there such charts for Ovation and Eagle? Please POST THEM.

Found these online for Beech. This is the kind of data I was looking for.

Yes, 450 redline, but I have no desire to have cruise cylinder temps above 380. I would question my totalizer reading except fuel on board after flight is matching up with “used” total. Appreciate your input as well as 1980. Just trying to better understand the engine and proper operation. Bush and Deakon are not higher rpm guys. I like the performance running 2550 and this matches up with an Ovation/Eagle post here on Mooneyspace some years ago.

My EGT’s have been over 1450 when LOP. I don’t think our totalizer is off much on fuel flow...BUT (shrug)

Announcer’s hex? Shhhhhhhhhhhhhh. Try holding your breath.

THAT is definitely NOT LOP...

Yes.

Mooney brain trust has no thoughts? O.K. Mystery will remain unsolved I guess.

My assumption is, by your statement, that perhaps he was NOT vigilant? Seriously, life is dangerous, so much so that no-one makes it out alive.

Didn’t know there were dangerous changing weather patterns in North East Florida... Wonder what that means? Is that code? Can someone decipher the context of that for me? The stations “pro” also couldn’t resist talking about the sketchy safety record of experimental aircraft... Sorry a good guy perished doing what he loved.

Guesses are welcome. I generally fly between 6k and 10k and run 2550RPM/Full Throttle and 20 degrees LOP. On way home Sunday I had a direct headwind at that setting (6500’) and decided to do the Rocket Engineering printed data for 7500’ (65%) to see if speed would pick up. The setting is supposed to yield 180knots and 195HP. 22”MP/2350RPM/15.7GPH Fuel Flow When I plugged that in (I understand I was 1000’ lower) I immediately had cylinder temps climb up to 400 and change. Immediately said to myself “self, the engine does NOT like that, knock it off” and went back to my previous/normal power setting. Why were temps so high there? Thanks for replies.

I got my 201 yokes and shafts from a salvage operation in Colorado for $300...I still look over my shoulder (‘cause I feel like I stole ‘em) when I think about that deal. They had a yoke switch to shut off the PC (with the electric solenoid). The gentleman that bought our E pulled out all the Brittain for a dual G5 install...

Oh great, now I will be hearing that banjo line in my head all day

AOPA did a fantastic video on this tragedy...Perhaps since many are very interested in the well being of the original posters ADM he should provide a sworn statement...preferably signed in blood that he won’t be “that guy”...and by God at least we know he is solo when he is doing the commute so only he will perish from his getthereitis. May ALL Mooneyspacer’s have mercy on his soul.

Feels like virtue signaling...No problem at ALL with post in the safety topic. What it comes out looking like in this thread is preaching at a guy that really clearly discussed his mission and wanted help finding a plane. Everybody loves “their” plane so sells them on it. Only natural. What isn’t natural is acting like this guy is going to take risks...or assuming...or perhaps-ing when he is an experienced guy. Just my perspective. We have a safety thread that is UNDERUTILIZED.

GMax has a Missile that was Don’s keeper plane for travel. With negotiation this plane could be obtained below the current budget. This checks normally aspirated box preference, useful load for family (>1000) and decent panel for IFR that is definitely upgradeable...

Congrats. You just doubled down on your buddies insertion of ADM in this thread giving even more emphasis on a tragedy that has zero business here..even identifying thread creep and just saying “damn the torpedoes full speed ahead”. Belongs as a separate discussion within safety thread NOT HERE. Well done sir.