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Mark Twain said “there are lies, damn lies, and statistics”. I do not doubt training played a roll in the reputation. Same as the story of the twin Comanche and revision to training rules. However, most of the things you cited could be said about any aircraft. Yet there were still an inordinate amount of them shedding wings. Little doubt the pilots exceeded limits, but to me it intimated the plane plays a roll, whether a weakness, or perhaps just facilitatory because of complementary abilities. I don’t like the small delta between max and maneuvering speeds. I don’t believe the safety concerns would have been the sole reason I elected to avoid the plane. I have and would fly in them again, just found better suited options for me to purchase. The Aerostar certainly has an interesting history and I bought one of those.

You may have missed this answer a few times in the thread. if you are at approach power settings, you do not need to monitor the temps. This alleviates this task. when I was flying to adjacent airports in training I would stay at or very close to approach speeds just to buy time. this is not only legal, it’s smart. The whole point of getting an IFR rating is to fly safe and if you need to slow down to catch up, that’s EXACTLY what you should do, in practice and real world!

Here is the heart of the matter. I read about another “airport noise” case, where people were trying to close the airport. Of the 3,000 some odd complaints, 90% were from one household. If I believed an environmental concern around my house was destroying me physically, I would move! But…. Some people live to complain. What baffles me, is that when the airport knows that 90% of the complaints come from one person, why do they still waste all the time, money and energy on noise commissions, studies etc? Politicians will torture the person or entity who is completely within the law, because of complaints of a nutbag. I had a job years ago where the neighbor was a terror, constantly calling code enforcement or the police for things she didn’t like. I did nothing illegal or improper but the police or city would still come and lecture me and ask me to stop things that I not only had to do but were legal! Finally I lost it on them, I said to stop harassing me, the legal party, and tell the person complaining to stop wasting everyone’s time! All common sense seems to be gone from the public sphere.

I looked at them(malibus) very hard. I personally believe they all have weak wings. They have had a lot of in flight breakups. They also appear to only make it halfway to tbo. Some owners I spoke to said they made it further but the stats on every one listed says otherwise. I have some time in the meridian, not the m600 though, and it’s not a bad plane, but the UL and range are limited, and they are an order of magnitude more money, insurance is a lot higher as well. If I had the money I may have considered the m600 because it’s a turbine they changed the wing, and it has a stairway, but it’s so much more money it’s not even really an option

The fuel consumption in the climb for both models is irrelevant. You climb at 1000+ per minute so you are spending 20min max at that rate and you make most of it up on descent. I’ve flown both and I don’t see any more workload controlling temps or engine management . the acclaim runs well LOP and is faster which is the only difference I am aware of. An extra turbo and potential for cylinders is equal to a midlife exhaust (roughly). but the bravo is half the cost to get into for a little higher fuel consumption and a little less speed. it’s a great value if you don’t have an extra 150k+ to spend.

For my family growing up, Christmas was always a time to be grateful, religion was a big part of that as well, but I’m not proselytizing, just saying it’s part of it for me I’m grateful to Craig for creating and maintaining this site. I’m grateful to all of you guys who are always quick to help sort out an issue, share experience, and provide guidance. The wealth of knowledge, and willingness to share it really creates a nice little community and I wanted to thank all of you for being so welcoming. I hope I can learn enough to one day be a help the way you have all helped me. Merry Christmas to All!!!

I won’t say which Mooney I think is best, I do believe that dollar for dollar, there is no better value than a bravo. You get the versatility of the turbo, the speed of a big bore, good UL, great climb, more of them with tks than short or mid body’s, engines that more than likely go to TBO, and cheaper on average by a large margin than all the long body’s. It’s slower than an acclaim, faster than an ovation, and I believe there will always be a sting market for it among people who know more than the average bear. move seriously looked at more than one and do not think you will regret any Mooney you buy, but the bravo is a lot of bang for the buck for sure. I would hold out for one with a panel, after watching my aerostar sit in the shop for 7 months it’s agonizing…

I remember feeling really inadequate, like maybe I wasn’t cut out for this, it was truly overwhelming. I eventually realized that was because I took it seriously, I cared, and I wanted to learn. I had no gauge other than others I knew that did it, but I didn’t see them do it…. I agree with the advice to not stretch it out. fly as frequently as you can, I flew two or three times a week. It took me longer than some because I was a new pilot, and was in an ovation with a g1000. I had only flown a dinky flight school 172. No AP, no gps, was lucky to have two working radios in those pieces of junk. The modern Mooney was overwhelming. I dont think that’s unusual. Like someone else said, if you aren’t overwhelmed, that should concern you! Stick with it in your plane, it’s one less thing to learn while your saturated. Not only will it get easier, it will be the most rewarding ticket you ever get.

You are absolutely asking too much of your first lesson. you are drinking from a firehouse. simplifying the platform is kicking the can. everyone is overwhelmed when they start. its serious business, with an enormous amount of information. Stick with it. nothing good comes easy.

I have only a few hours in a k, and only one approach so I don’t really remember, but I would think at approach power settings you wouldn’t have to worry about any temps at all. Is this not the case in the k models?

^^^^^^THIS!!!!^^^^^^

With all due respect to the other opinion. I couldn’t disagree with this more. Whatever plane you plan to fly, is the plane you should fly for your ifr training. honestly, what better way to build proficiency in the platform you intend to fly? I got my ovation shortly before I finished my ppl, and did 100% of my ifr in the ovation and bought an acclaim almost immediately after I finished. I have 1000+ hours in mooney’s and I am very proficient. Even so I do ipc’s with different instructors every 6-9 months. How does training in a completely different aircraft prepare you for the stress and overloading in single pilot ifr? Your k feels overwhelming because of how much new info is being thrown at you. Maybe it takes a little longer to get ready for a check ride, but when you get your ticket and are flying your full time plane, you won’t be starting over. If you like your k, stick with it, and the day you make your first solo real IMC approach you will be very glad you did

If you aren’t a builder and wish to do it yourself I’ll amend my expectation. Triple the budget and quadruple the time. Building is not a difficult job, but people do heavily dismiss the benefit of the relationships and experience. Almost anyone can do it but the learning curse is steep and unless you are retired and working full time on your job site, driving by it during work to check up isn’t going to work as well as you think. While most could, it’s like anything else, people who’ve been doing it for a long time tend to make it look easy, and while it isn’t complicated per say, it is not. Imagine mentally deficient 40 year old kindergartners with substance abuse and anger management issues, who have the the added benefit of being pathological serial fibbers and are incapable of using any device that reads time or dates! Now manage that remotely. What could go wrong?

it’s never to early to start planning a construction project!! I don’t have a lot of tips for a hangar home specifically, but I would tell you to hire an architect to do the design, just don’t let them manage the construction unless you have money to burn. Design the house with aging in mind, and a practical expectation of how it will be used, not the dream use. I’ve built so many custom homes where people agonized over multiple suites for the entire family when that never really happens. I can however, offer some good advice on the actual process. The building process is challenging from many angles. I’ve been doing it for a long time and have watched countless people go through the whole process. Many of them with me, and some who chose a different path and wished they had listened to me. Your questions are thoughtful and shows the right frame of mind. Whether you self contract or not, here is my advice… If you have a budget in mind, double it. If you have a time frame to complete it, triple it.. Labor and building materials have sky rocketed across the country and those problems are far from over. The labor shortage is just beginning. Making the building process enjoyable, or even tolerable is 100% predicated on good and realistic expectations. If you are using a builder, get references from a year, 5 or 10 years, and one from present. Actually call the references! Ask them how the process was, how the person was to work with, was the schedule accurate, how do they treat warranty work, and the biggest of all, how were they as a communicator. Building a home is like a marriage, there is stress, anxiety, decisions, discussions, mistakes, arguments, money and no sex. You don’t pick an ugly, unpleasant partner because their daddy is rich, don’t get persuaded by the guy who is cheap because you’re about to marry them. Assuming you have picked someone you trust and with a good reputation , understand that the process is complex, the builder assembles something completely new each time, and he doesn’t make the components that go into the construction, he just executes. The owner is almost always the reason the budget goes up and the project takes longer. Accept this and understand every increase and delay is simply because you are getting what you want. Having the proper expectations can make the difference between a fun and successful project, and a long and miserable one… Good Luck! PS I’ve tried to cram a lot into that, while I may not familiar with building in your area, the things I’m describing are universal, and if you wanted to discuss more, or understand better I’m happy to talk to you. DM me and I’ll send you a phone number.

300k rules out g1000 ovations and all acclaims. The allegro and encores are rare, and difficult to find. If I had 400 and 800 nm trips and lived in Michigan I would want a turbo, and tks which would pretty much leave the bravo. Turbos cost more to maintain, but in the grand scheme of things it is a rounding error. everything is a trade off…. if you want modern avionics and a modern AP you will end up spending more than 300k though, in all of the models you listed anyway… I also disagree with the other opinions on the g1000. People who say to avoid or don’t like them, have never owned one. You would not feel that way if you had, you wouldn’t want anything else. You can’t miss what you’ve never had, and it isn't as if the newer stuff is bad, but it is not cheap.

I can’t tell if that is sarcasm or not…. Going to assume it is. There are no claims of lead poisoning, the assertion is that stress from the noise causes bad diet, and leads to diabetes.

Well, I didn’t suspect it would be easy, or they would have already done it…. However, I have some experience with foxpro, and Visual Basic, and the finite amount of data on the site begs for a simpler way to search with in the subset. I don’t want anyone to interpret this as bashing the site. I’m thankful for the resource and willingness of all the participants to help others. My knowledge is limited, but I do what I can when I have something to offer. I don’t know of a site as responsive and thorough for any other plane genre..

Btw. Did you read the case brief? The developer had to pay Spur Industries for the expense of the moving of operations. that’s pretty interesting. I also think that type of public nuisance is considerably different from a cattle feedlot. The airport serves the public good. I doubt much of the precedent would apply.

If you are going to suggest a court ruling equates to invalidating idiocy then we are in bizzaro world! /sarcasm off… But seriously, airport noise causes diabetes?

I think all valid reasons should be stated. where I live there is one particular neighborhood that is in the predominant flight path. This neighborhood is responsible for the vast majority of the noise complaints. the neighborhood was built around 40 years after the airport. the people organize and say the most outlandish things, like the noise gave them diabetes and is ruining their lives. If something adjacent to my property, that existed when I bought the property, was making me miserable, I would move. In fact, that has happened, and I did! The airport authority and the town indulge this idiocy as if it’s as valid. I would ask one thing at the meetings, did the airportI exist and was it functioning when you purchased the property? If so….NEXT!!!! I don’t understand the mindset of the complainers or those who entertain the foolish complaints. But I know if airports aren’t not defended with the same tenacity and inexorable energy as the hyper vocal minority of complainers, they will disappear very soon.

Well, there are a few things in the country that are terribly inefficient but maintained for reasons other than efficiency. The mail is one of those things. I would argue that airports are another. In the event of a catastrophe or war, or some other civil unrest where the roads are disrupted, airports become pretty necessary. While it is easily argued that this is far fetched and tin foil hat, it’s just insurance. The argument over the roi is valid, but once they are gone and the real estate is absorbed, the cost to reestablish becomes impossible or prohibitively expensive, and when the need arises there are no options. Most of the airfields in this country were built during war time or in preparation for war. I don’t want to be cynical but thinking simply for now has gotten more than one society past the point of no return… It is a free market, and all the things about property value are valid, but few things in modern society are viewed holistically anymore because we have several generations who have not suffered for anything at all, and everything is about “now” and “me” today. This is not the normal human cycle. Strong men make good times, good times make weak men, weak men make bad times, and bad times make strong men. We are two generations into weak men and we are seeing the product. Buckle up.

Is there anyway to improve the search option? It’s bizarre that it’s easier to use google than searching within the site. is this an expensive thing to develop?

Lots of good guidance here. I went from about 35 hours in 172’s to an ovation and finished my ppl and instrument in the Mooney. “Easy” is a very subjective term. With little experience anything new can seem hard. 8 years and 1000+ hours in 20+ different airplanes, the Mooney is the easiest of them all to fly. Perhaps not as forgiving as a 172, but absolutely more responsive, intuitive and easier to be precise. A Mooney shouldn’t be intimidating but it should, like any airplane, be respected. Get good training, set good personal minimums, know the limitations and that fear will rapidly turn to true affection and confidence. The Mooney is like a sports car, when your hands and feet are on the controls, it does what your thinking as your thinking it, it really is an awesome machine.

Fractional owners who are the only users of the plane can be simply part 91. If it is “managed” by a company like net jets, where the fractional owners allow the charter company to operate the plane for revenue flights, it can be both a part 91, and a 135, but will have to maintained as a 135 all the time. The only difference is when the owners operate the aircraft as solely as 91, they don’t have to have all the same requirements of the 135, like some planes with two pilots, wet runway distance etc. It’s extremely convoluted, but it’s a great way for people who can own jets, to offset the cost of ownership. It is also possible to turn a profit, but that is very rare. you could operate any plane on a 135, just plane on 3-4x the insurance cost, about 6-12 months, an unbelievable amount of money for maintenance, just to get the plane on a 135 ticket and then 50 or 100 hour inspections on top of annuals, and an endless list of “timed out” components to continually change.

No Lyft or Uber when I went there but it’s been two years. Rental cars were available. the town isn’t real nice but it has ole t of hotels and restaurants.