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Well when I looked at the part list for my acclaim and searched on lasar it does not show the correct gallons for my plane. It topped out at 35 gal. I have a 50gal tank

Does this apply to every single thing on an airplane? I mean are wing gauges an MEL item, or an airworthy item?

Never seen one without a metal back but it doesn’t surprise me. but interrupting a production line for a small batch absolutely cost a huge premium. Can’t say for sure that it warrants 120 bucks, but it is absolutely a factor. I would put either in the plane if I was missing one, and would buy the Amazon one and grind off the tabs before I’d pay 120 bucks. I was told that if Lasar is unsuccessful the Chinese will buy Mooney, keep the tc active and take all the engineering to china and shelve it. this would be far worse than bankruptcy. I still want Lasar to succeed, I just can’t be persuaded by this current plan. they need to recalibrate. ps, I have t seen my plane in a while, but don’t the modern mooney’s have 45 gallon as the high end?

To be fair, interrupting the production line for a run of 25 would dramatically increase the cost. also, the gauge you spec’d (I just looked at and put it in my basket.) if you were to offer 5000 of them I bet it would cost them 10% of what they paid each there is nothing to these gauges, a magnet paper and plexiglass is all plastic, and the wing gauge from Mooney is metal. still a punishingly high price, but not completely the same.

Toyota imports 212,000 camry's in one year into the US, that is about 200k more than all the mooney's ever made.. A "high" production aircraft is still a scarce item. I do not want to pay monthly for some vague promise of priority and pricing, or to have "early" access to parts. This seems like a poorly thought out idea. None of the advantages are quantifiable, and it certainly makes them seem desperate. I mean if someone who does not subscribe needs a part in the future are they going to refuse to sell it to them? Of course not, they want to sell as many parts as possible. Or lets say there is no stock of an item that requires a minimum order of 50 to get from the vendor and one subscribing customer orders one part, what happens? Do they order the 50 and hope to sell them to other subscribers or do they wait until they have most or all of them sold prior to ordering? None of this is clarified. I would have preferred to prepay some amount in the form of a credit, to order future parts at cost plus 10% that would be attached to my tail number. This way it is actually something that you could use if you kept the plane, or at least use as a selling point to the person buying the plane. This is absolutely quantifiable, allows everyone to choose their own level of support or participation, and could provide Lasar the cash to build inventory. They could also do a survey of desired parts, to compliment the database search of what is selling to identify the best and highest need for parts I get the logic behind the idea to make this analogous to insurance, they felt that the owners would like to make sure product support would continue. I mean all of us want Mooney to survive and produce parts to keep our fleet flying, but even after all this time and all the feedback, they still cannot adequately explain how this benefits the person paying the fees. What happens if you subscribe to the "Gold" level for 10 years and at the end you have ordered $5,000 in parts. You have paid $50,000 for the privilege of a 25% discount which saved you $1,250? Mind you, none of these levels of membership guarantee availability of anything either! If you had to wait 4 months for an order to be filled this would not bring about a bunch of warm and fuzzy feelings about the monthly bill. This is not a compelling sales pitch at all, in fact, it seems like a very poorly received attempt to persuade. When that happens you need to reevaluate and adjust. When you are doing something that is not working and making the issue worse, the first step is to stop that thing! I also see that I am not in the minority of opinions here, their own website says only 8 people have elected to "join". Here is the kicker, while mooneyspace is a small sample of the ownership demographic, we are a much more relevant example of engaged owners who actually do think about the future of the company. I would venture to bet that 70% of owners are completely oblivious to this situation and if they got something in the mail asking them to pay monthly to support a business they do not currently need anything from, that mailer is going directly from the mailbox to the garbage can. If people who are engaged and care, cannot figure out the benefit, how to you expect to convince the rest of the fleets owners? At least a prepaid credit toward future parts as a capital raise is simple and quantifiable. I have been optimistic/hopeful, and very open to hearing them tailor this proposal to make more sense, but it appears they are not going to go this direction. If I am missing something and there is a benefit here, I would love someone to explain it to me.

I am willing to bet new ones one will not last as long!

I suppose they are “more” prone to cracking at a certain point, but apparently that happens a lot less than they even predicted. I agree, just changed mine and they were 20 years old. About the same compression as yours actually. if I wasn’t about to paint, I doubt I would have changed them.

You can get away with using them 40 years. it’s probably just a little rougher on everything in the suspension chain. our little planes are very robust.

I saw this on the Mooneyflyer and though pt it was pretty interesting. Not an unfair price for what you get. if my plane sat for weeks, I would absolutely consider this.

yes, that is what is happening at our airport with rent. The claim that they aren't market rates is somehwat of a canard. the metal boxes were built for 35k 50 years ago, and the land and hangar was built with taxpayer money. The base cost to build and maintain should set the market for a public owned product, not as much as you can get. we are seeing 20% increases in rent yearly 5 years running

that should be all that is measured....

Was talking about the cub

Taildraggers are a great way to sharpen skills. They are not as forgiving as tricycle so be vigilant! biggest thing for me to get used to was adding throttle after touchdown. Seems counterintuitive after all the time in a Mooney, but will save your bacon, and spare you a ground loop! killer plane. Is that a carbon cub? btw. That is a different tail#. NX909HH? is that how they number experimentals?

Flaps, pitot heat, boost pump, emergency bus, alternator, speed brakes etc. is the panel not required for these?

I think I thought they all did

You are correct, money is seldomly the problem, and more often than not the symptom. But once the problem is identified, and a plan is devised, money will absolutely be needed. I am not trying to convince anyone to do anything at this juncture. What I am suggesting is that this is kind of the only option on the table, so what is the harm with permitting the benefit of the doubt? No matter what they say or offer, there will be skeptics and people who choose not to participate. No way around this, but bashing the only folks trying to right the ship doesn't seem to be particularly helpful either, but this is good discussion, and hopefully they will listen and take to heart.

sorry i missed this question. i did it for noise. this with the inflatable door seal made a pretty substantial difference, hopefully the new insulation and thicker windows will make a difference as well.

where is your annunciator panel? Love that arrangment! awesome panel!

everything in aviation is a trade off... you said you most often fly alone and ifr, all mooney's will more that meet this mission.

I don’t disagree. My reference to packaging was about how they rolled out these ideas. Being direct and honest will go a long way. but like I said, this isn’t like Facebook buying WhatsApp. There isn’t enough money in this to make people fight for position, or bring in reorganization consultants etc. we are talking about a relatively small business, with some giant overhead and regulatory obstacles and I don’t see anyone else but Lasar stepping up. Nothing doesn’t seem like a great option. What I was trying to say is that I prefer to give them the benefit of the doubt here, and I would prefer to offer a little optimism. Doing so doesn’t really come at any cost, but sinking that ship before they can leave the dock isn’t going to help the fleet either. After talking to them, I’m confident these missteps are less vetted than they are obfuscation. I don’t believe the time frame was completely discretionary, and they are reacting to circumstances.

I share all of the same suspicions, and have had nearly all the same reactions to lasar’s rollout. i also sent an email with some of my impressions and perceptions. Another member here had done the same and set up a conference call with Brett and John to get a better explanation. In that conversation the idea was floated for a town hall of sorts. They seem to have genuine good intentions, and while this is in no way a solely altruistic venture for these guys, their success would mean a more stable future for the fleet. They are listening to our comments and grappling with how to package this in a way that accurately describes their needs and what they intend to provide. I would suggest anyone who genuinely wants to provide constructive input, to email them directly, and participate in the meeting if it comes about. Also, we aren’t talking the kinds of figures that brings in a marketing team and some huge structure. Even if the parts division was running like a Swiss clock, we aren’t talking about millions of dollars a year in profit. there is room in this deal for the owners to make money and for the fleet to get serviced fairly. Finding that sweet spot isn’t going to be free, and to think it would be cheaper to go bankrupt, and restart from scratch is fantasy. I don’t know if what they are attempting will work, but I heard enough to believe if they can fix this packaging problem and better define how contributors can benefit, it may actually work. They are still finding out the mess that Mooney was, and know what needs to be done, and are sorting it out. Mooney did not even have a database that they could query for inventory management. This was shocking to me, something so basic and critical for any manufacturing supplier, was left in the 70’s tech. They appear to be very close to converting that, which is a huge step. I am stopping short of advocating for this assurance plan, but there is potential to make it work, and am much more supportive than I was since talking to them.

All k models, all. Bravos, most acclaims are in your price range. the m20m does not have two doors. only the m20u and the m20v have two doors and they are well out of your budget. As for the bonanza, finding one in your budget, appointed as specified would he harder. I never cared for the feel of any piper I’ve flown, but I’m sure that’s merely a preference. there is a great deal on a damaged history acclaim currently!

Not to bash the OP, but asking to pay for the results of a prebuy that caused you to back out of the sale seems to be a bit silly. It’s obviously bad enough to avoid it, I don’t believe anyone is going to pay you for information that will deter them from buying, they just aren’t going to go there. An airplane with that much damage history is going to appeal to very few people anyway, and those will likely be offering less than salvage value. Traditionally we share these things on the forum as a community service, and we all hope someone can learn from our experiences. not demanding you to do the same, just saying you’re not likely to find a buyer for your info here. who knows, I could be completely wrong… In any event, thanks for sharing what you have. For me it would have been more than enough.

Well, one upside is you can’t really make it worse. I mean even another gear up isn’t going to depreciate it any further. side bar.. aside from the engine and prop, there typically is very minor damage to the plane itself. but the stigma is not fictional.

Garmin allowed each manufacturer to select appearance and interface in the g1000. it is completely different in the cirrus, and a lot of little nuances in the 182 and the bonanza I flew. I cannot explain why it would be blocked out, that would seem like more of an oversight than compulsory. It is not something most people would utilize, and may simply have been overlooked. Mooney however owns the control over these settings nd there is little Garmin can do to help, we learned this while getting the flight stream to work.