Acclaim Long Range Settings

[drstephensugiono]

Ferry pilots delivering Mooney Acclaim to me and I would like to hear real world power settings from 8-12,000 feet, and also range with 102 gal tanks with no wind. No TKS plane. 280 HP

This is a long range Ferry flight where every drop of avgas matter.

Thanks guys!

[LANCECASPER]

31 minutes ago, drstephensugiono said:

Ferry pilots delivering Mooney Acclaim to me and I would like to hear real world power settings from 8-12,000 feet, and also range with 102 gal tanks with no wind. No TKS plane. 280 HP

This is a long range Ferry flight where every drop of avgas matter.

Thanks guys!

If it is crossing the N. Atlantic in the winter they need to do it right. If every drop of avgas matters it should have a ferry tank installed. 

[drstephensugiono]

If it is crossing the N. Atlantic in the winter they need to do it right. If every drop of avgas matters it should have a ferry tank installed. 

Going Eastbound through Russia, ferry tank not needed, longest leg 800 nm


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[LANCECASPER]

1 hour ago, drstephensugiono said:

Going Eastbound through Russia, ferry tank not needed, longest leg 800 nm
 

That's a tough route in the winter without TKS.  Eastbound helps though on the groundspeed.  I would start by making sure that it's able to run lean of pean for max range. That usually includes Tempest Fine Wire spark plugs. A Turtle-pac would be a good investment. Mooney SERVICE INSTRUCTION SIM20-133 talks about OPERATION OF OVERWEIGHT AIRCRAFT.

A couple of times I've thought about buying an airplane that was a "good deal" from overseas but by the time I added up everything the math didn't work.

[AndrewPatry]

Honestly unless the winds were super horrible I’d be going into the flight levels. The Acclaim loves it up high. If something happened you’d have 40-45 mins to troubleshoot. Also that puts you likely above any weather.

Shemya, AK (PASY) is a good options for precision approaches as a 757 made an emergency landing not long ago. I’ve toying with taking my 206 that way for the fun of it. Heard of cool WWII stuff still scattered al over Adak. I wouldn’t count on weather being favorable this time of year.

I did a Caribbean last spring and tankered fuel in the 50 gallon bladder in the backseat. St. Lucia didn’t have 100LL and I would be stuck without bringing fuel. Because it wasn’t plumbed into the fuel system no modifications required. I did follow the Mooney advisor for the 115% 3870 over gross operations . I used the ATL boat bladder on Amazon. Great quality with a 12V pump also.


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[AndrewPatry]

Mooney publication

https://mooney.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/SIM20-133.pdf


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[AndrewPatry]

Oh your question 28.5/2400 LOP, 14ish GPH


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[drstephensugiono]

Oh your question 28.5/2400 LOP, 14ish GPH


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What’s the speed?


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[donkaye, MCFI]

2 hours ago, AndrewPatry said:

Honestly unless the winds were super horrible I’d be going into the flight levels. The Acclaim loves it up high. If something happened you’d have 40-45 mins to troubleshoot. Also that puts you likely above any weather.

Shemya, AK (PASY) is a good options for precision approaches as a 757 made an emergency landing not long ago. I’ve toying with taking my 206 that way for the fun of it. Heard of cool WWII stuff still scattered al over Adak. I wouldn’t count on weather being favorable this time of year.

I did a Caribbean last spring and tankered fuel in the 50 gallon bladder in the backseat. St. Lucia didn’t have 100LL and I would be stuck without bringing fuel. Because it wasn’t plumbed into the fuel system no modifications required. I did follow the Mooney advisor for the 115% 3870 over gross operations . I used the ATL boat bladder on Amazon. Great quality with a 12V pump also.


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Your airplane has a lot of history.  I have 158 Hours in it including both ferrying and teaching from 2008 through 2015.

[AndrewPatry]

What’s the speed?


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Roughly 185ish TAS at that altitude.


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[AndrewPatry]

Your airplane has a lot of history.  I have 158 Hours in it including both ferrying and teaching from 2008 through 2015.

Hello Don

From what I heard many pilots got to experience 98FL. Were you giving training in it for the flying club?

I purchased it June 2017 with 1040TT. I have been using a Texas shop since 2022 and dropped it off a few weeks ago with 1823TT. Currently waiting for the long range tanks. Looking forward to having a 8-9 hour airplane making a loop to Uruguay and back north.

Andrew


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[exM20K]

4 hours ago, drstephensugiono said:

Ferry pilots delivering Mooney Acclaim to me and I would like to hear real world power settings from 8-12,000 feet, and also range with 102 gal tanks with no wind. No TKS plane. 280 HP

This is a long range Ferry flight where every drop of avgas matter.

Thanks guys!

Recent flight, 24x2400 14.4 GPH FL190 195 KTAS. TKS plane.  -37* cold.  POH says about 202, which tallies for pretty much every power setting in mine.

2-3 KTAS per thousand feet gain, so flying high is advisable unless winds are howling.

Foreflight performance profiles and winds aloft forecasts are very accurate in my experience.  I discount the book cruise by 5% and am usually within a gallon of predicted fuel and on the ETE too.

where is the trip from/to?

-dan

[donkaye, MCFI]

1 hour ago, AndrewPatry said:

Hello Don

From what I heard many pilots got to experience 98FL. Were you giving training in it for the flying club?
 

That is an understatement.  The owner put it on the flight line at a flying club at Palo Alto.  That turned out to be a bad idea.  The field is 2,441 feet long.  As an independent instructor I was the exception for doing transition training, as the club wanted their own instructors for checkouts.  Robert wanted me only, but the club wouldn't acquiesce to that.  That REALLY turned out to be a VERY bad idea.  None were experienced in Mooneys.   The plane had 3 prop strikes involving a teardown.  None were my students.  Robert was a conscientious pilot.  I related a contrasting safety story about a flight he asked me to accompany him on.  He was uncomfortable doing the flight on his own.  The very same day another former student of mine who was not instrument current tried to go into an airport that was IFR and that even Clay Lacey that evening had diverted from to go to Modesto.  On his 3rd attempt at a visual approach he became disoriented, crashed and killed both himself and his fiancé.  

I'm sorry Robert lost the plane.

[AndrewPatry]

That is an understatement.  The owner put it on the flight line at a flying club at Palo Alto.  That turned out to be a bad idea.  The field is 2,441 feet long.  As an independent instructor I was the exception for doing transition training, as the club wanted their own instructors for checkouts.  Robert wanted me only, but the club wouldn't acquiesce to that.  That REALLY turned out to be a VERY bad idea.  None were experienced in Mooneys.   The plane had 3 prop strikes involving a teardown.  None were my students.  Robert was a conscientious pilot.  I related a contrasting safety story about a flight he asked me to accompany him on.  He was uncomfortable doing the flight on his own.  The very same day another former student of mine who was not instrument current tried to go into an airport that was IFR and that even Clay Lacey that evening had diverted from to go to Modesto.  On his 3rd attempt at a visual approach he became disoriented, crashed and killed both himself and his fiancé.  
I'm sorry Robert lost the plane.

I am just thankful it’s never been on its belly. Prop strikes and poor maintenance I could overlook. I spoke with Robert before I bought. It was voluntary and a smart move on his part given what he told me. Top gun where it was parked, wouldn’t let anyone start it or remove any panels. It was huge risk but after speaking with Robert I felt assured to proceed. My offer factored the risk. No other way I could have afforded the plane is it was perfect with perfect history.


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[donkaye, MCFI]

5 minutes ago, AndrewPatry said:

I am just thankful it’s never been on its belly. Prop strikes and poor maintenance I could overlook. I spoke with Robert before I bought. It was voluntary and a smart move on his part given what he told me. Top gun where it was parked, wouldn’t let anyone start it or remove any panels. It was huge risk but after speaking with Robert I felt assured to proceed. My offer factored the risk. No other way I could have afforded the plane if it was perfect with perfect history.


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Bottom line, an Acclaim is not an airplane that should be in a flight club, especially at an airport with a 2,400 foot runway and with transition instructors who are not Mooney Specific Instructors.

[Jeff Uphoff]

2 hours ago, AndrewPatry said:

I purchased it June 2017 with 1040TT. I have been using a Texas shop since 2022 and dropped it off a few weeks ago with 1823TT. Currently waiting for the long range tanks. Looking forward to having a 8-9 hour airplane making a loop to Uruguay and back north.
 

Uruguay! Do tell!

I visited Uruguay in the mid '10s on business and kind of fell in love with the place. Now that I have a Mooney again, an Ovation with pretty good range even on stock tanks, I've been mulling some Central/South American flying, and I've played with some routes to/from Uruguay.

Would love to know more about what you're doing--it's sort of a bucket-list item for me!

--Up.

[Jeff Uphoff]

1 hour ago, donkaye, MCFI said:

That is an understatement.  The owner put it on the flight line at a flying club at Palo Alto.  That turned out to be a bad idea.  

Wow. I remember way back when (late 90s) I was a member of WVFC and mostly flying their Citabrias, and there was a 231 on the line then. I thought that was a little bonkers, but...an Acclaim? [blink]

--Up.

[drstephensugiono]

6 hours ago, exM20K said:

Recent flight, 24x2400 14.4 GPH FL190 195 KTAS. TKS plane.  -37* cold.  POH says about 202, which tallies for pretty much every power setting in mine.

2-3 KTAS per thousand feet gain, so flying high is advisable unless winds are howling.

Foreflight performance profiles and winds aloft forecasts are very accurate in my experience.  I discount the book cruise by 5% and am usually within a gallon of predicted fuel and on the ETE too.

where is the trip from/to?

-dan

From Thailand to SoCal 

[AndrewPatry]

From Thailand to SoCal 

Did you buy the former Tango Bravo?


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[drstephensugiono]

Yes, I did get that plane. It was flown from San Diego to Bangkok, transatlantic way and now it’s going to go Transpacific way through Russia

[AndrewPatry]

Yes, I did get that plane. It was flown from San Diego to Bangkok, transatlantic way and now it’s going to go Transpacific way through Russia

Congratulations! I’m configured the same way, A/C no drive, I watched a YouTube video 10 years ago of your plane making the trip. I always liked “The Beast.”


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[drstephensugiono]

Congratulations! I’m configured the same way, A/C no drive, I watched a YouTube video 10 years ago of your plane making the trip. I always liked “The Beast.”


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[LANCECASPER]

5 hours ago, drstephensugiono said:

Yes, I did get that plane. It was flown from San Diego to Bangkok, transatlantic way and now it’s going to go Transpacific way through Russia

 

Beautiful airplane, congratulations.

Getting it home may be challenging, but once it's home it should be a lot better choice than the last one you were looking at:

 

[drstephensugiono]

Beautiful airplane, congratulations.
Getting it home may be challenging, but once it's home it should be a lot better choice than the last one you were looking at:
 

I still want that one! Lol


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[LANCECASPER]

8 hours ago, drstephensugiono said:

I still want that one! Lol