Made in China Acclaim

[fantom]

Sadly I have to agree with you Tommy.

A key reason, LMO, why it make sense to retrofit used Mooney's for those who can't pop for three quarter of a million dollar new Acclaims.

Of course more of that retrofit investment should be in the structure, engine, lights and critical areas, rather than the easier to have done paint, interior and panel. Us fools and our money are soon parted in aviation.

Sprucing up 40+ year old planes with the newest Garmin's, Aspens, and the like is quite illogical IMHO, but it seems fashionable for some. Kinda like putting lipstick on a pig....no insult intended.

[scottfromiowa]

Your iPad is made in China whilst most of the R&D&Marketing of it is done in US. 

 

That's why I said the best that Kerrville can hope for, in the long run, is a permanent R&D&Marketing facility. 

 

But we are equally concerned about the quality of the future Mooneys and its reputation.

You mean Mooney's reputation of building a fast, crampt airplane and going bankrupt every few years?

My "concern" is not with Mooney's "quality". My concern's as a vintage owner are:

-ADSB mandate

-Physical mandate

-Price (due to mandated certification process) of avionics

-Being able to continue to afford to fly and maintain my vintage Mooney for my mission

Concern about quality of 750k airframes being manufactured in China?

Not so much.

My ipad works great.

[scottfromiowa]

When the purchase by the Chinese was announced I predicted this here on MS. I also recall being pooh-poohed. I also said that all of the training that takes place here in the US will shift to China.

You know what's really awesome?

When people tell you about how they predicted something...

Good for you...GOOD FOR YOU!!!!!!

You are one smart cookie.

[Tommy]

Scott, you are incredibly arrogant and selfish for the fact you have more interest in keeping your vintage plane flying and ADSB complaint than your fellow pilots' safety...

And laughably, your concerns, Scott, will NOT be addressed by the new Chinese owners.

Because you add zero profitability to their account books.

The move of m20 manufacturing to China and the roll out of plastic M10 are tell tale signs of things to come...

[scottfromiowa]

The difference is, your iPad is 100% designed by Apple in the USA as quality control is strictly controlled 100% by Apple in the USA. There is no Chinese management.

I don't care.

If Mooney/China makes crappy $600k airframes...or 500-100k airframes. I am not buying one.

My plane is going to continue to depreciate.

Until the number of pilots increases or the demand overseas increases and the Chinese want MY AIRFRAME.

There are plenty of M20E's and 201's.

I am not holding my breath on that "demand in the USA" thing...

[flyboy0681]

You know what's really awesome?

When people tell you about how they predicted something...

Good for you...GOOD FOR YOU!!!!!!

You are one smart cookie.

 

I mention it only for the purpose that I saw it coming and only today (as evidenced by the replies) are other's coming to the realization that it's actually going to happen. 

[scottfromiowa]

And your concerns, Scott, will NOT be addressed by the new Chinese owners. NO S#$%

Because you add zero profitability to their account books. NO S$#%

The move of m20 manufacturing to China and the roll out of plastic M10 are tell tale signs of things to come...I like the M10&M20

Ps. you are an incredibly arrogant and selfish pilot if you have no concerns over your fellow pilots' safety due to poor quality aircrafts being sold...

I've got the good old FAA watching out for me Tommy...

[flyboy0681]

I don't care.

If Mooney/China makes crappy $600k airframes...or 500-100k airframes. I am not buying one.

 

 

They may not be as crappy as you think. The Chinese are attempting to break into the commercial transport market and if they get the reputation for building unsafe aircraft - of any size - that will dash their hopes at becoming a leader in this new industry.

[fantom]

You are one smart cookie.

I seem to recall he even predicted the earth was round.

He does have a habit of stating the obvious and later tooting his own about it.

Boy, I sometimes hate agreeing with you, Scott.

[Tommy]

FAA only watches for US pilots.

What about pilots from the rest of the world buying a lesser quality and possibly unsafe Mooney?

I hope you represent the extreme minority of American pilots - far more interested in keeping your plane flying with ADSB than concerns over your fellow pilots' safety.

And what about the hard working men and women in Kerrville who had been - one way or the other - keeping your plane up in the sky. Now their employment is under some real and tangible threats

[flyboy0681]

I seem to recall he even predicted the earth was round.

He does have a habit of stating the obvious and later tooting his own about it.

Boy, I sometimes hate agreeing with you, Scott.

 

No Gary, it wasn't obvious to everyone. Here is one response to my prediction that things will move to China...

 

"If the Chinese bought Mooney to start pilot training in China, they bought the wrong company. The Mooney Acclaim and Ovation are terrible trainers IMO"

[tony]

To sell a certified airplane you need three things: 1. a certified design (Type Certificate) , a certified factory (Production Certificate) , and an FAA accepted maintenance plan to maintain the airworthiness of the product. Unless Mooney international obtained an FAA production certificate for their new Chinese factory, a Mooney made in China is not FAA certified. 

[Tommy]

Quality aside, Mooney will become a Chinese brand, making plastic planes. The existing owners will be left behind. M20 no more.

And let's not beating around the bush, we all know about the quality of Chinese manufacturing process.

And, Scott, FYI, I am typing this message on the 4th iPhone 5s that I exchanged in the last 12 months...

[scottfromiowa]

They may not be as crappy as you think. The Chinese are attempting to break into the commercial transport market and if they get the reputation for building unsafe aircraft - of any size - that will dash their hopes at becoming a leader in this new industry.

Again...I state for the record...I did not say that the Chinese are going to build crappy airplanes. Go back, read what I wrote and change your post. Or remove my quote from your statement.

Can you see the difference?

Your smart...so I think you can.

[alex]

I mention it only for the purpose that I saw it coming and only today (as evidenced by the replies) are other's coming to the realization that it's actually going to happen.

Smartest man in the room........ALWAYS! {sigh}

[scottfromiowa]

FAA only watches for US pilots. NO S#$%

What about pilots from the rest of the world buying a lesser quality and possibly unsafe Mooney? WHAT ME WORRY, I HAVE THE FAA

I hope you represent the extreme minority of American pilots - far more interested in keeping your plane flying with ADSB than concerns over your fellow pilots' safety. I WOULD RATHER GO TO NEW ZEALAND AND FLY WITH REAL PILOTS

And what about the hard working men and women in Kerrville who had been - one way or the other - keeping your plane up in the sky. Now their employment is under some real and tangible threats

GO TO KANSAS. THEY BUILD PLANES TOO. MOONEY EMPLOYEES THEY KNOW HOW TO GET BY. THEY ARE SEASONED.

[flyboy0681]

Again...I state for the record...I did not say that the Chinese are going to build crappy airplanes. Go back, read what I wrote and change your post. Or remove my quote from your statement.

Can you see the difference?

Your smart...so I think you can.

 

 

Not sure how else "If Mooney/China makes crappy $600k airframes...or 500-100k airframes. I am not buying one" can be interpreted? But I guess it comes down to what the definition of "is" is.

 

Today must be my lucky day, this is the first time you've ever called me smart! Think I'll go out and buy a lottery ticket.

[flyboy0681]

Smartest man in the room........ALWAYS! {sigh}

 

 

Not the smartest, I did sell Apple at $75 a few years back, thinking it had peaked.

[Tommy]

They are buying for the profit!! I had my reservation when I first heard a Chinese company bought it but I gave them the benefit of doubt, naively thinking that they will continue to operate in Kerville and Kerville only - with its men and women that had been dedicated their time/effort/expertise to Mooney Community worldwide.

Instead it is now shifting the manufacturing operation to China and making cheap plastic planes to cater for the Chinese market - yes, the only expanding GA market in the world.

We the old vintaged Mooniacs are now done for. And that includes you, Scott

[scottfromiowa]

Not sure how else "If Mooney/China makes crappy $600k airframes...or 500-100k airframes. I am not buying one" can be interpreted? But I guess it comes down to what the definition of "is" is.

 

Today must be my lucky day, this is the first time you've ever called me smart! Think I'll go out and buy a lottery ticket.

Let me 'spain it to ya. Others are questioning the quality of Mooney's made in China. I make a statement started with "if"...

Had I said: "When Mooney/China starts pumping out airframes of poor quality"...

There is a difference...

Someone that had read my previous comments might have gotten it and not volunteered my vs. others actual quality statements as their boxed quote.

[flyboy0681]

We the old vintaged Mooniacs are now done for.

 

 

Don't get your knickers in a bunch Tommy, we have a saying here in America, it ain't over till it's over.

[scottfromiowa]

They are buying for the profit!! I had my reservation when I first heard a Chinese company bought it but I gave them the benefit of doubt, naively thinking that they will continue to operate in Kerville and Kerville only - with its men and women that had been dedicated their time/effort/expertise to Mooney Community worldwide.

Instead it is now shifting the manufacturing operation to China and making cheap plastic planes to cater for the Chinese market - yes, the only expanding GA market in the world.

We the old vintaged Mooniacs are now done for. And that includes you, Scott

Oh the Horror!!!!

No doubt Continental and Lycoming are crating up machines as we speak and heading for the docks

[Tommy]

Quality aside, your vintaged M20 is very unlikely be supported at all, buddy!

Because, let me spain it to ya, YOU and your old Mooney represent zero profitability to the new Chinese owners.

But your Mooney was valued by people in Kerrville to the point that they continued to roll out parts for you.

Now you tell them to pack their bags and go to Kansas?

[DonMuncy]

I did not see anyone saying "this is just a plain error".

I don't think it happened.

I suppose it is possible that they took Kerrville Mooney parts and assembled them in China, but I even doubt that.

I may have to admit I was wrong at some point, but I do not think they have a manufacturing plant in China capable of building an Acclaim; at least yet.

[bonal]

Look at it this way Fender and Gibson started manufacturing guitars in out sourced factories and the end result was a big jump in the value of the US made guitars. I can't get my head around all the global economy stuff but I do know that much of the products we enjoy today such as my IPad could not even be made here in the amounts needed to satisfy the market demand let alone the price we are willing to pay. The cessna 162 was made in China and assembled here and they still failed to keep the price point where it needed to be to succeed. Perhaps if the plane is made here and assembled in China it could work. Either way you would not ship a fully assembled airplane any where due to space concerns. I hope it all works out but the BIGGEST problem GA has in the states is cultural and I see no indication that young people will ever hold the fascination for flying as the generations that grew up with aviation. There will always be exceptions but the golden age is long gone. Simulation is the world of tomorrow. Just look at how fast email and texting has degraded peoples ability to simply communicate.

Who really knows how it will turn out. And who would have ever thought a 1968 Shelby would be worth 100 grand. What I do know is a couple years ago Mooney was a shadow of a company with no future at least now we have something we can argue about.