Shadrach

The C172 is the “every man’s” airplane and has out performed vintage Mooneys in price since I started tracking airplane prices in the late 90s. I was not suggesting that vintage Mooneys should be more expensive than 172s. I was suggesting that everything is more expensive and that the Mooney airframe is a great performance value. For your part, you then felt compelled to make a price analogy using a fast, 2 plc, non-certified single with a lousy fatal accident record and insurance challenges. I will give you credit for efficiency. You’ve used several of your 29 posts to put people in their place. Some folks take a few hundred to showcase how off putting they can be. You sir are an overachiever.

Excellent over simplification of the market coupled with an irrelevant analogy. Well done!

He has a Stratus ESG WAAS ADSB mounted directly above the copilot’s yoke. That box has the added benefit of letting you “temporarily” mount a Stratus WiFi transmitter in line with the ship’s ADSB antenna so you can broadcast “ADSB in” to your tablet with no wires in the cockpit. Thats a nice planes it’s not the best E I’ve seen, but it’s plenty usable. it’s a lot of performance for under 100k. What do vintage 172s bring these days?

I try not to ascribe duplicity to any situation where ignorance or dare I say, stupidity will suffice...unless I have firsthand knowledge that suggests otherwise. I did not know this pilot, but I also find it hard to believe that he did not understand that the undisclosed medical conditions for which he received treatment were disqualifying without an SI. However, I never underestimate people. I met Mooney owner just last week with a beautiful 201 that he said "cruises at 180-190kts, depending on the wind". He did not pick up on my confused look at all. The conversation did not last much longer but what remained of it convinced me that I often over estimate intellect.

I make lots of local flights with out a tablet. I keep a current EFB database on my iphone to be legal. I flew the Decathlon for an hour on Monday between a few different airports. Was never more than about 1500ft AGL and as low as 500ft AGL over the mountains and rural farm land. I know the area well enough that I don't need to be low enough to read the route numbers on the state roads.

Would be interesting to know how many of the pilots on this board have had an "oh $h!#" moment discovering an overdue flight review. Harder to do in this day of electronic calendars, but still possible.

So the pilot of the Cirrus that spun in at Love Field in 2016 was at 25 months since her last flight review so just one month out of currency. One could make the argument that her unfortunate lack of airmanship might have been corrected prior to the accident had she received a proper FR in the weeks leading up to the accident flight. It's no stretch to attribute that accident to task saturation and poor airmanship, the very reason we get a flight review is to identify and rectify deficiencies in our performance. Legally out of currency and a fatal accident attributed to poor airmanship. Should her insurance have denied to cover that loss? The same case could be made for the Mooney accident. Much easier to make the case that his lack of instrument currency was causal when compared to the medical issues. I'm sympathetic to your view point, but I think that the professionals in the industry have repeatedly encountered this situation and found it preferable to err on the side of paying claims in spite of bad boy/bad girl acts. In the case of this Mooney accident, you appear to be implying that there was intentional and deliberate fraud with regard to this pilot's policy renewal. I don't think we have enough information to be sure of that but it's certainly a strong possibility. In such a case, I think it's prudent to pay the liability claims but the pilot and their heirs do not collect.

An Insurance policy is fundamentally a financial contract between the indemnifier and the indemnified. The limits and limitations of the policy are codified within the contract. An accident/incident either falls within the bounds of coverage or it does not. It’s not a moral decision. It’s not about accountability for one’s actions. It’s simply a contract. Accountability for criminal behavior is for the criminal courts. This is not a new concept nor is it a byproduct of neomarxism.

That is not how insurance works in almost any area of life. Insurance companies do not deny claims based on bad behavior. The deny claims based on policy exclusions. If you get hit and are permanently injured by a drunk driver, the drunk driver's insurance is still liable for your damages even though he knowingly engaged in risky and illegal behavior. If he misses you all together but destroy his own car, insurance still replaces his car (if he has full coverage). Insurance covers negligence and poor judgement as well as bad luck. The system won't really work any other way. Such a system would require that every single claim be adjudicated by an independent third party.

If it's not certified, than any real discussion must have some focus on if and when it will be.

How do you know it’s on the back of the engine? The exhaust heat muff looks soaked. Oil gets everywhere when there is airflow through the cowl. Everything must be thoroughly cleaned. When looking for the source, do not limit your focus to the rear of the engine.

Eagle UL is often impressive. Probably should be included.

Really? That looks like a reasonable ask to me. On the other hand, I would never buy a 60s era Mooney that has had one of its best and unique features updated to be like every other retract, but that’s just me.

When I bought new shock discs in 2022, they were $101 each through Herber. All online stock was listed at $165 or more.

Depends on year. based on your S/N of 311 the mains are 40-24s which are Aluminum and the nose is a 40-33 which is no longer listed, but appears to be Magnesium. Plastic media bead blasting would work as would walnut shell media. The wheels should have data plates with p/ns.

I tried to find Parker/Lord's technical support number for my previous post but could not find it online. Did you get pricing from Herber?

Make sure that SB M20-208 has been completed. I would not buy any Mooney without putting eyes on the steel cage.

Do you have SOS ignition? is it a 12 or 24V system?

Way smaller. Pulled from the internet. That crusty dry finger is not mine…

Mice are tenacious little creatures that can squeeze through an opening the circumference of a #2 pencil. Who knows where they get in, but once they’re in, they have total access. Rodent rings may be the way to go.

I have a few passengers that really like to lay back on longer trips, so they enjoy the having the option. Do you still have the curtains? I reinstalled the side curtains that had been removed about 5 years ago. Curtains are a true luxury for rear seaters.

Call Herber Aircraft. They are a Lord distributor and consistently have the best pricing on Lord products. Their parts people are very good and will be able to help. A bonus for you is that they are in El Segundo.

That looks nice! When we added jacks to the rear seats, we used the same panel that you used but mounted them the inverse of how yours are configured so that they recess rather than protrude. Where are the releases for the rear seatbacks?

Did your 67 come stock with aluminum? The armrests in my 67 are made of what looks to be injection molded foam impregnated with a hardener where he fasteners are attached. I covered them in ultrasuede.

Non of mine are riveted. If I removed them all that would be >30 wing panels every year…NFW. We remove the panels needed to inspect and/or lubricate aileron control tubes, rub blocks and bell cranks. I did a very extensive inspection of the wings in 2021 as we went into annual a month after the Victoria, MN crash. It reaffirmed my confidence in the airframe. I won’t feel compelled to do anything that in-depth again anytime soon.