SkepticalJohn

I'm having an avionics shop upgrade the avionics/prop/autopilot/etc in my 1987 M20K 252/Rocket. All of the used parts are being listed on eBay by the avionics shop who's doing the upgrades. More items posted daily. You can buy through eBay or message me here on MS and I'll reply to them. Items listed below can be seen on eBay: https://ebay.com/usr/integrityaviationservices Garmin GNS 430W P/N: 011-01060-00 14/28 Volt (with cards, rack, connectors, and data loader) $6500 uAvionix skyBeacon Mod:3 P/N: UAV-1001856-002 (wingtip ads-b). $1700 Stock engine instrument cluster. Rochester Gauges Engine Instrument Cluster P/N: 640281-525 (Model: 6247-00319). $400 JPI EDM-700 P/N: EGT-701-6C (digital engine monitor). $700 KFC150 complete autopilot with alt preselect: KC 192 P/N: 065-0042-03 Flight Computer KFC 150. $2900 King KS 178 Primary Servo (Roll) P/N: 065-0051-02. $950 King KS 179 Trim Servo P/N: 065-0052-14. $950 King KS 177 Pitch Servo P/N: 065-0050-04. $750 KAS 297B Altitude/VS Selector P/N: 065-0065-01. $1400 King KI 256 Flight Command Indicator P/N: 060-0017-00. $500 King KA 51B Slaving Accessory P/N: 071-1242-06. $250 King KI 203 VOR/LOC/Converter Indicator P/N: 066-3034-00. $400 King KX 165 TSO P/N: 069-1025-25 VHF/NAV. $900 King KMT 112 Magnetic Azimuth Transmitter P/N: 071-1052-00 Flux Detector. $130 King KT 76A P/N: 066-1062-00 Transponder. $200 King KN 64 DME P/N: 066-1088-00. $550 King KG 102A Directional Gyro P/N: 060-0015-00. $350 King KEA 130A Encoding Altimeter P/N: 066-3064-05. $700 King KI 525A Nav Indicator P/N: 066-3046-07. $500 King KI 227 ADF Indicator P/N: 066-3063-01. $75 Stormscope: 3M Stormscope WX-10A Processor P/N: 78-8047-0985-1. $120 3M Stormscope WX-10A Display P/N: 78-8047-0984-4. $130 3M Stormscope Antenna P/N: 78-8041-7950. $100 SDI Hoskins Fuel GPH P/N: 205382-1 Model# FT101 Sys. P/N: 702165-1 (fuel flow). $180 Mitchell Mechanical Recording Tach P/N: D1-112-5225 (Model: 98480-225). $150 United Instruments Manifold Pressure Indicator P/N: 6411. $300 United Instruments Vertical Speed Indicator P/N: 7000. $200 GTP 59 OAT probe P/N: 011-00978-00. $450 Eventide Avionics Argus 5000-10-00 (Moving Map). $70 PS Engineering Audio Selector Panel P/N: PMA6000M. $600 Davtron M800 Chronometer (multi-function clock/da/oat/voltage indicator). $120 Electronics International TIT P/N: T-1P (digital TIT indicator). $150 U.M.A suction gauge 3-310-52. $180 Following soon will be: vacuum pump, standby vacuum, pneumatic speed brakes, 3 bladed prop, spinner, governor, and much more.

Resurrection... Is this a finished product yet? Anyone have feedback from an install of this product? Thanks!

The certified version can do things not within its original scope. I know folks have put video inputs on a Beech A36 as a "minor deviation" during install (or "minor alteration" to an already installed system) of a G3X. https://www.beechtalk.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=180420 Would trim, flap, cowl flap, gear position indication not also be minor deviations? (Like this screenshot from an Piper Malibu, showing gear and trim positions) Zoomed in on the trim/flap indication

Curious, has anyone been able to get Garmin G3X Touch to display flap, trim, and gear position in their K model Mooney (or any other certified model)? I'm sure it would take some LVDTs, LVITs, or potentiometers. I'm doing a complete panel upgrade and would love to kill all of those analog indicators on the center column. Anyone with experience or thoughts how to make it happen?

Same wait here and for the same reason. Have they given you an update on expected delivery? I was told August as well but am hoping for the under-promise, over-deliver technique.

I'm late to the party on this post but found it strange that no one mentioned the magnetos... Flying a non-turbo aircraft (IE: one without pressurized mags) in the flight levels can cause arcing in the mags due to the lack of air to insulate the electrodes. This arcing can... will... damage your mags. A magneto doesn't work in a vacuum. Our turbo birds have pressurized mags for a reason. The arguments pro, fly-as-high-as-you-want-because-it-isn't-in-the-limitations-section, seem foolhearted to me. For a "cliffs notes" education, I'd suggest reading the paragraphs half-way down on the following page under the "High-Altitude Misfire" https://www.avweb.com/ownership/whats-under-the-hood-magnetos/ I've no experience in non-turboed Mooneys, so I may be missing something?

That looks identical! Cody, you sir, saved me a pile of time and cash. A beer is owed. Thanks to all who chipped in to solve my problem.

Yes, they were quite helpful. Parts are OEM, not PMA. For folks who don't know the difference, in layman's terms... PMA = the manufacturer can sell it to you, the end user. OEM = the manufacturer ONLY sells it to the (in this case) STC holder, STC holder sells it to you. In any fashion, the lead time on Barry creating the mounts once an order is placed by the STC holder is 120 working days (doesn't include weekends or holidays)(read... 6 months)

The engine mount (metal part) is just now in the final stages of rebuild. The vibration isolators/bushings are just rubber - nothing to rebuild. The ones I have are in good condition. However, I'd like to replace them with new ones while the aircraft is in 50 pieces vs waiting until they need attention and grounding the aircraft again just for bushings.

I did, limited hours/availability. Moreover, I've had word from a source, who won't be named, that part number hasn't been produced in 10 years. So if anyone has that Barry mount on their shelf, it's old. I need to know what people are using instead of the pictured mount above. IE: field approval of Barry mount 94006-01 (or Lord or whatever mount you used)...

If it'd help jog a memory, here's how the old ones looked...

Okay, which Lord mounts are they? The originals are Barry, but those aren't available right now. My question is... Besides the original Barry mounts, which rubber engine mount bushings are being used in Rockets?

Thanks, sir. I appreciate the offer for assistance, but my question regards the engine mount bushings between the TSIO520-NB and the mount - usually changed at overhaul.

If there's anyone out there who has completed an engine overhaul on a M20K 252 converted to a 305, I'd love to pick your brain for about 5 minutes. Or, if you know someone who's been down this road and you can put me in contact with that person, please PM me. Thanks! John

Does anyone have a lead on a parts manual for a 305 Rocket? I've tried contacting Rocket Engineering, but it looks like they're out of the office with the virus going around. I have the illustrated parts manual for the regular 252, but I'm having an engine overhaul completed and am in need of the Rocket specific bits - namely the induction tube. Thanks in advance, John

It was just north 32k total - that scan was the final bill. A large part of it (~9k-10k, I'd have to look) was the beta/reverse thrust design and approval process. I think your M20M is an STC, the M20K install is a field approval. I'm hoping for a shorten landing distance, lightened weight/increase useful, and a further aft CG. My engine is in a shop right now for an overhaul. The prop will go on with the fresh engine. So unfortunately, I won't have a real apples to apples performance comparison as I'm changing 2 variables at the same time. Landing distance should still be apples to apples, though. On the cowling removal for the 4-blade, do you position the prop "x" or "+"? John

Resurrecting an old discussion, but it sounds like my new prop ships today! I ordered it on 11 Nov 20, so I'm surprised they wrapped it up so fast during the holidays. According to the folks at MT, it'll be the only one that has a certain feature Erik, et al., have you thought about pulling/pushing the tail to the ground for more clearance when removing the cowling? Would that even help? The 3-bladed prop was difficult and I'm trying to think of a way that the 4-bladed could still be a solo job. John

Sorry sir, it's not for sale.

Not quite... It was 186KTAS @ 12k on 14.5gph, which is 55% power. Those were the REAL numbers he was writing - I was setting in the plane beside him when we did it.

1. Doesn't have to be pressurized - the m20k already does 24/28k' depending on 231 vs 252. Unless they certify it for RVSM, you're still stuck at FL280 and below. Use your existing O2. 2. Upgraded mount isn't really an excuse. Rocket already did a 9G rated 8 point mount on the Rocket vs the stock 4 point tsio-360 mount. No stretch of the imagination to assume they could mount a smaller turbine engine. 3. Cost being impractical is relative. What other certified 4 seat turbine are you going to find for the same $? A Walter 601D could be had around $35k (last reported price from http://diemechturbinesolution.com ). You'd be hard pressed to find a good 360/520 overhaul for that price. Not saying it'll happen. I'm just not good with naysayers.

Strong work @Jsavage3! 18 to go!

I ordered a set this week. Here was the process for me... I called Kerrville. They still have some weights in stock (depending on the plate - there are two different 6lb's and a 7lb, they had between 3-5 of each available). The y don't sell it directly to you or me. You call any MSC and they will have it drop-shipped to you. Also, you don't order it as a kit, you have to order as each individual part. The price hasn't changed much since the $500 post in 2015 above. Parts price for me buying the 19lb set was $548.57 which included everything but the anchor nuts (which are on backorder) plus shipping. Two day shipping was $125. Snail mail quote was $35. I'll grab my parts manual and snap a pic of the parts list to attach to this post for your reference.

Disregard, a copy has been received. Thank you kindly to the gentleman who sent it!

There is a paper copy w/ the aircraft. I just purchased the plane and will be going to pick it up next week. I am looking for a POH to read over before I go pick her up. I already have the Rocket supplement but don't have a 252 POH. Does anyone have a digital one they can share?

Hate to revive an old topic, but I need a copy of a 252 POH as well. Please?