RocketAviator

Ditto.... May God Bless each and everyone of you and your families. Thank You!

Marauder, I think the answer is maybe two fold or even more. If they are willing and able to take the take flight lessons I don't think anyone would argue that would be the best by far, but for those that don't or wont take it to that level maybe a annotated (as wishboneash noted above) or pictorial assisted would be better than nothing at all. In may case I hope to do all. Start with something even simpler and just talk to her and introduce her to all the components, and I hope to have at least a first draft approach pictorial checklist in her hand to refer and relate to when we talk about the elements of the plane that she would need to deal with. 2nd I hope to engage her in what ever level (starting simple) with all manners and activity of the flight first by verbal description and then physically engaged in things like hand fly level and straight and how to tell when you are level and straight, changing the radio freq, talking to ATC.... you get the idea. This is at least my plan as of right now, however my main personal goal right now is to glean as much input and idea from everyone as I can and then hopefully put that into the best use that fits my particular circumstances using a building block approach..... Man I hope all that rambling makes sense to someone out there!!! Thanks, Lacee

I like the way you think and your concise approach, let and possibly others consider your thoughts, look like a great start. Did you get a chance to check out the short list that was provided by Bnicolette ie Brett, I went out to the airport on my way to work and took a number of photos of the panel and was planning on starting to create a first pass at a checklist with pictures to start working with my wife on our next flight. I am sure thinking we need to keep the KISS principle as a very high element in our decision. Example passengers being Briefed by the to be pilot would be good but a "EVERYBODY be quite or SHUT UP while we get this emergency under control, I will tell you what I need from you when I am able.... not sure that is a good example but the first that came to my mind!

I like your thoughts on differentiating the types & interest of our target market so to speak. With that in mind it brings up the idea that each of us may possibly need to identify our market as you have identified and work accordingly with the interest & possibly willingness level as a major element. Thanks great thinking and input, Lacee

Great idea guys, let us know what you come up with and any feedback! My favorite quote "a smart man learns from his mistakes, but a wise man learns from someone elses".... Not to say you will make any mistakes but I am sure you all could contribute to the benifit of the rest of us! Fly safe and let us know what comes of your activity! Thanks Lacee

The reason for a checklist in my mind is not the checklist that you and I use and know where and what everything is but a specific short emergency checklist and even one with images that a non-pilot could use to at least give them a chance at getting the plane on the ground and walking away! I am offering to organize and or help get a mooney specific pinch hitter event but that is in addition to what my & my wifes belief of having a what she refers to as "a picture checklist I could use, cause I won't remember what that thing is called or where it is checklist!" Right now we are gathering information and input and yours is appreciated, any help you can give or contribute to either of these causes would also be appreciated. Thanks, Lacee

Great list, My wife would like pictures of exactly what the items are in our plane with the list. I will immediately begin working with her when we fly next Monday together and point out each of the items and get a list (starting with this one with pictures) and step through identifying each element mentioned in the list. I am going to do this with one or more panel shots and then have her as often as we fly together use the items we can during our flights. This is at least a start! She even appears to be a little excited... Wow is all I will say for now! Thanks again! Lets keep the ball moving! Lacee

There appears to be a host of information and even some how to online. Here a few I have found so far. I have not yet reviewed any of the below just a cursory 5 second look. I am assembling all that look promising or interesting for further review and mainly just to get ideas. http://flash.aopa.org/asf/pinch_hitter/swf/flash.cfm? http://www.sportys.com/pilotshop/product/10573 http://www.wikihow.com/Land-an-Airplane-in-an-Emergency http://www.artofmanliness.com/2008/09/16/how-to-land-an-airplane/ I will add more as I find them and ask each of you that are interested in adding what you find or already have as those above have already done so. I know our first and primary goal is to create a check list or short instruction list but I am thinking this type of info could be additionally helpful as I intend on having my wife actually fly and hopefully land our plane. Thanks, Lacee

There are a couple of us here on Mooneyspace wanting to put together a "Pinch Hitters Emergency Check List for our wives and non-pilots & in my case get my wife up to a point where she could in an emergency land my Mooney Rocket! It has been proposed to limit the scope of the project output to a checklist at this time but there might be a need to expand the scope. My personal goal is to get my wife comfortable and skilled enough to get our plane on the ground and walk away safe! I would go as far as if there are any CFI's wanting to come to the El Paso area I would consider hosting a fly in clinic of some kind! I could also go somewhere else if that makes more sense for others to join but have no idea of being able to host at a remote location! Any and all suggestions are welcome. Thanks in advance, Lacee

Aviatoreb, I assume the avatar name you are referring to is the posting identification here on Mooneyspace. Mine has been LLL (my initials), Lacee Lamphere (my real name) and now RocketAviator! I too am concerned about my wife landing the Mooney without damaging the aircraft. I would sure take some suggestions on this but my gut tells me to train or get her trained to a level that she actually lands our Mooney Rocket.... I would rather take the chance of some aircraft damage and give her the self confidence that she can do it than the alternative. I also believe that just doing it once is not enough she needs to like us Pilots practice for proficiency. Now that is another question I have how often should she at least attempt a landing or low approach etc? Fly Safe Rocket On....

Yves, I would be all in for a project such as you suggest. I think there are some general aviation resources on a "Pinch hitting course & or Online information" Let me see what I can find or if someone else knows and could point us in the right direction that would be great. I dont know about the liabilities but truly don't think I care much about the liability as odd as that sounds ( I also suspect you are specifically talking about the liability of someone else using the information that we could assemble and not that if one of our families, kind of like error & omissions kind of thing), I think Mooneyspace would be a good place to get our heads handed to us if we got to far out of bounds. I know there are some Mooniac's that are both CFI & Attorneys so maybe they would help keep us on the straight an narrow. Bottom line if an emergency occurs and my wife has any better chance to get the plane on the ground and walks away with her and or whoever's life may be in the plane at the time I will gladly take that risk! Lets get it going and see where it leads us! Maybe this subject deserves a thread of its own! Lacee

A couple more line items on the list: A first priority I neglected to mention is "Getting Wife able to land the plane in an emergency" . I know there are resources out there for this and I intend to use them. I told her I would get a CFI of her choice to work with her and she said NO I want You to teach me..... & Make me a list to follow!! By the way a wife who has ZERO interest in aviation with the exception of a tool of getting there fast and getting her kids & grandkids back to her quickly! I think I will also work on getting my wife to be a helper in high demand times such as Single Pilot IFR (which I fly in frequently).

Byron, I too had a good experience with LASAR... after almost pulling my hair out, calling the factory (with no reply in over a week), searching everything online I could find and calling every Antenna MFG I could find looking for a replacement VOR/GS Towel Bar antenna , late in the day Friday I began calling the listed Mooney service centers, the 3 called the guy said call LASAR!!! They were on my list but way down list! I called and they said let us check and get back to you.... Yea I heard that before right! Well they apparently did THEY actually got back to me and I hope to have that antenna in my grubby little hands on Tuesday!! Very timely as I am headed to the avionics shop in New Braunfels on Wednesday! Like you Gary and the owner were great to work with. You may recall when I was trying to get the 3" pedal extensions and co-pilot brake setup (which I now have multiple extra pairs of extensions and co-pilot brake components... ) I have always thought their prices were a bit on the high side but the older I get the more I appreciate the value of good service!! One thing for sure LASAR will be on top of my list the next time I am looking for something!

I have flown now for more than 30 years. While on a couple commercial flights yesterday and the day before I read an article in Plane&Pilot with the title of "Are you A Pilot Or An Aviator?". For some time now since my incident in June I have made it a personal goal to work purposefully and with a commitment on improving my knowledge and piloting skills, in particular those areas relating to my Mooney Rocket. Mooneyspace has very much been a part of that commitment, while I dont always comment on much of what I read the information and exchanges have not always provided me with specific answers but more often with questions for myself to investigate and learn more on as well. The privilege and responsibility of flying is both as great as it is satisfying especially when we carry precious cargo like family and other humans! Since I file and fly almost every flight IFR for the last several years I also read another article yesterday by John King (of John & Martha King School) in Flying in the area of IFR INSIGHT "Crewed Approach to Single-Pilot IFR" and was reminded again how much responsibility and how demanding the workload of single pilot IFR is. While there is much more than I can afford to chase in either terms of time or $ I would like any input on what your top suggestions and or activities you would recommend for such a goal? Also I DO NOT LIKE TO READ>>> and I am the worst test taker in the world... Some of the items I am either working on or researching now and have high interest in: LOP / ROP operations Detailed knowledge of my aircraft and everything in it (how it works, what is it made of etc) Mountain Flying (another great article in Flying titled "Deadly Downdrafts", I fly frequently into CO) Emergency flight procedures Spin training Unusual attitude recovery training Formation flight training Rules & Regulations knowledge Equipment enhancement & backup (avionics mainly, panel and portable) Hence the New Name RocketAviator.... because that is what I want to and am committed to work to become! Appreciate your suggestions and feedback and (have to be very careful with this last one with this group-lol ) feel free to Hold ME Accountable!

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Welcome, fly safe!

Anyone ever used this or any other Dog Oxygen Mask? http://www.mypilotstore.com/MyPilotStore/sep/9353?gclid=CIul6t3b0LoCFY9FMgodnWgALg Wow $108... Let me know... Thanks Lacee

I have checked the POH no mention of the antenna, I will check the airframe logbook. I am going tonight to see if I can determine I have downloaded and printed the Comant VOR/LOC/GS CI 205-3 white spec sheet so maybe I can figure it out.... Thanks

I am sure you are right that the shop could do as you say if they had access to the airplane but I am here and they are asking me to ID it as they state there are a number of possibilities. Thanks for the feedback.

Need a little help here please. Looking for information on Manufacture / Part # or specific information on the VOR / Glideslope Towel Bar Antenna on my 1983 Mooney M20K 231 Rocket Conversion. Anyone know the part# or have purchased a replacement for their plane. If so any of that information would be very helpful. I cant get to the plane until late tonight and my avionics man need this info ASAP.

Congratulations and like others have said ..... We are looking for lots of PIREPS and PHOTOS!!! Sounds like a great adventure.... both the marriage & the plane trip!!! May God Bless you both! Lacee

Gary, I will send the 2 530 that I have to you. There are more to the 530 than I have but the 2 I have may be of some use. How about you pay the favor forward to someone on Mooneyspace and Ill take care of the postage! PM me the address where you want me to mail to. Fly safe, Lacee

Kurt, will send all I have your way. Fly Safe,

Wow is all I can think of.. Beyond luck!