Jerry 5TJ Posted October 23 Report Posted October 23 20 hours ago, Jackk said: I wish the training industry would stop teaching that BS, “it’s the insurance companies plane if the engine quits” Speaking of myself in the instructor role, your quote is truncated. I say “it’s is the insurance company’s plane if the engine quits: Don’t try to save the aluminum, just protect the people.”
Pinecone Posted October 23 Report Posted October 23 15 hours ago, Jackk said: Up until cirrus backed down from the full on CAPs is a life saver and damn near hand of god, the SR line actually has a pretty bad accent record, maybe some folks don’t timber, but I do. Later they smartly increased standardized and in depth TRAINING and the record got better, ofcourse sales will still push CAPs as any good salesman would From what I remember, before the training people were NOT using CAPS. That training was to get people to actually use it and THAT reduced the fatality rate.
Rick Junkin Posted October 23 Author Report Posted October 23 16 hours ago, Jackk said: Up until cirrus backed down from the full on CAPs is a life saver and damn near hand of god, the SR line actually has a pretty bad accent record, maybe some folks don’t timber, but I do. Later they smartly increased standardized and in depth TRAINING and the record got better, ofcourse sales will still push CAPs as any good salesman would What year did you attend the Cirrus training course?
midlifeflyer Posted October 23 Report Posted October 23 3 hours ago, Jerry 5TJ said: Speaking of myself in the instructor role, your quote is truncated. I say “it’s is the insurance company’s plane if the engine quits: Don’t try to save the aluminum, just protect the people.” That's the way I hear it. But bear in mind that "a man just hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest" That's especially true when you are trying to make a point. 2
midlifeflyer Posted October 23 Report Posted October 23 1 hour ago, Rick Junkin said: What year did you attend the Cirrus training course? I didn't either, but Jack is correct. Cirrus had a very bad accident rate. When I flew one I joined COPA and saw many of the discussions about it. I also had a friend who was first generation - original waiting list and everything. At some point he decided I should fly the airplane so we went up together. I heard about some of the procedures they were being taught. Then there was a big push toward standardization accompanied by the mantra "CAPS Consider." This video is from the 2011 COPA Migration. It's a god illustration of what was going on in the Cirrus community at the time, with Rick Beach as a driving force. 1
Jackk Posted October 23 Report Posted October 23 5 hours ago, Jerry 5TJ said: Speaking of myself in the instructor role, your quote is truncated. I say “it’s is the insurance company’s plane if the engine quits: Don’t try to save the aluminum, just protect the people.” The people are in the aluminum
Jackk Posted October 23 Report Posted October 23 3 hours ago, Rick Junkin said: What year did you attend the Cirrus training course? Uh, so I need to take a course to understand accident trends and easily verifiable change in their training culture? Odd take
Justin Schmidt Posted October 29 Report Posted October 29 Ahhhh...air...pull the chute. Haha sorry couldn't resist
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