Inogen

[Aaviationist]

1 minute ago, MikeOH said:

I think the people that make O2 pulse oximeters know the capabilities of their machine very well. I trust their machine’s readings to be accurate.

Again, are you saying you know more about oxygen concentrators than the people that make them?  Inogen say specifically not to use it above 14k for 2 people and 18k for 1. 
 

Aithre say the same for their solution, and sell an additional bottle that integrates for these situations. 
 

but some guy on the internet said it’s ok, so that’s all you need?

Whose guidance do you think the FAA will follow?  When it comes to using supplemental oxygen, does it count as supplemental oxygen when the manufacturer says it doesn’t?   No. Of course not. 
 

there are plenty of arguments you could try to make, but this isn’t one of them. Instead, you’re going to quote partial sentences and circle talk like you are known to do here. 

[N201MKTurbo]

As long as your SpO2 is good, who cares?

[N201MKTurbo]

If you have a hypoxia emergency above 14K, don’t bother calling Inogen and complaining.

[201Mooniac]

11 hours ago, Aaviationist said:

A lot of times that is the advertised price with Medicare. Especially when it comes to medical devices, you can’t just google something and use the ads that come up as a price. The cheapest I can find that I would trust sending money to Majorcpap - where it is 2k. Even then, 14k limit for 2 people is a non starter. 
 

the Inogen has a service life of 5 years. Compared to the cost of a hydro test (150$ last I did it) it still doesn’t make sense to justify the Inogen. 

You are free to find a more expensive site you are comfortable with but I bought mine when Pure Medical has a special and paid less than $1500 for my setup with no medicare as I'm still too young for that (though not for long).  There is nothing in the documentation that came with the unit that shows a 5 year service life, the only requirement is to replace the canister when the unit tells you it is exhausted. I've used mine many times and it always keeps my SpO2 well into the 90s.  Much easier than the bottle I used to use.

[Aaviationist]

1 hour ago, 201Mooniac said:

You are free to find a more expensive site you are comfortable with but I bought mine when Pure Medical has a special and paid less than $1500 for my setup with no medicare as I'm still too young for that (though not for long).  There is nothing in the documentation that came with the unit that shows a 5 year service life, the only requirement is to replace the canister when the unit tells you it is exhausted. I've used mine many times and it always keeps my SpO2 well into the 90s.  Much easier than the bottle I used to use.

Page 2. Page 1 is the glossary. 
 

are you guys really basing all these potentially life saving decisions based on things you’ve read on the internet and not having any idea what the manual and manufacturer guidance is?

 

talk about some bad ADM….

[MikeOH]

1 hour ago, Aaviationist said:

there are plenty of arguments you could try to make, but this isn’t one of them

Please do explain how having good O2 sats is a poor argument for using the Inogen.

As @N201MKTurbo said, “As long as your SpO2 is good, who cares?”  Only you, apparently

[Aaviationist]

22 minutes ago, MikeOH said:

Please do explain how having good O2 sats is a poor argument for using the Inogen.

As @N201MKTurbo said, “As long as your SpO2 is good, who cares?”  Only you, apparently

I bet the FAA cares. 
 

I bet the person whose house you missle yourself into when you pass out because instead of following the manufacturer’s guidelines, you went based on what some guy on the internet said cares. 
 

you can jump on me a you want but at the end of the day I’m just responding to internet nonsense with documentation from the manufacturer who designed, built, tested, and qualified the product under these conditions. 

Edited yesterday at 03:51 AM by Aaviationist

[N201MKTurbo]

23 minutes ago, Aaviationist said:

I bet the FAA cares. 
 

I bet the person whose house you missle yourself into when you pass out because instead of following the manufacturer’s guidelines, you went based on what some guy on the internet said cares. 

You have been watching too many bad movies.

[Aaviationist]

4 minutes ago, N201MKTurbo said:

You have been watching too many bad movies.

No, I just read the manual (the one multiple people here clearly have never looked at)

 

having lost friends and nearly lost friends due to o2 issues and hypoxia, it amazes me the lengths people will go to to either just completely ignore reality, ignore anything that goes against what they want to hear, and latch on to the one (incorrect) opinion that supports their misinformed CB idea. 

[MikeOH]

6 minutes ago, Aaviationist said:

No, I just read the manual (the one multiple people here clearly have never looked at)

 

having lost friends and nearly lost friends due to o2 issues and hypoxia, it amazes me the lengths people will go to to either just completely ignore reality, ignore anything that goes against what they want to hear, and latch on to the one (incorrect) opinion that supports their misinformed CB idea. 

You are certainly free to continue your illogical diatribe of fear-mongering while COMPLETELY ignoring the FACT that if one's SpO2 is adequate, then WHATEVER the source of O2 is, it is sufficient.

I'm begining to think your goal is to expend my supply of Troll Food

[Aaviationist]

14 minutes ago, MikeOH said:

You are certainly free to continue your illogical diatribe of fear-mongering while COMPLETELY ignoring the FACT that if one's SpO2 is adequate, then WHATEVER the source of O2 is, it is sufficient.

I'm begining to think your goal is to expend my supply of Troll Food

Again, and I’m not sure why you aren’t getting this into your brain - 

I am not saying it. The manufacturer that makes the thing is. that is what YOU are completely ignoring. A quick call to Inogen will confirm anything I’ve posted above, as it comes straight from their documentation for intended, approved, and appropriate use. Anything else would be “inappropriate “ which would mean it is NOT a proper source of supplemental oxygen. 
 

id be very curious to see your aircraft logbooks and what “opinions” for maintenance you have deferred based on irrelevant online opinions. I’m sure it’s significant. 
 

call Inogen and tell them they are fear mongering. 

Edited yesterday at 04:27 AM by Aaviationist

[N201MKTurbo]

I guess he won’t stop till everybody agrees with him. 
 

If he doesn’t think it is safe to use it, nobody is going to make him use it. 
 

I don’t care. I fill my own bottles and I have an O2 compressor, so it costs me very little in time or money to fill my bottles. 
 

I’m sort of an I’ll do me and you do you. Even though I’m considered a bit of a stickler for the rules when it comes to the IA thing.

I can’t imagine how the Inogen users manual is regulatory. The only regulation I can think of with regard to supplemental oxygen is to ware a mask above 18000 feet.

[N201MKTurbo]

Here is the FAA brochure about supplemental oxygen. It has a paragraph about MSOG, which the Inogen is. It doesn’t mention any altitude restrictions.

https://www.faa.gov/pilots/safety/pilotsafetybrochures/media/oxygen_equipment.pdf

[Aaviationist]

12 minutes ago, N201MKTurbo said:

Here is the FAA brochure about supplemental oxygen. It has a paragraph about MSOG, which the Inogen is. It doesn’t mention any altitude restrictions.

https://www.faa.gov/pilots/safety/pilotsafetybrochures/media/oxygen_equipment.pdf

Again, if you’re going to reference something, reference all of it. That document is for oxygen containment and delivery systems. The only mention of MSOG is that small paragraph where it mentions the military has tried it, but it basically doesn’t exist in GA. 
 

I have clipped it and posted it here for full reference for those who want full facts to make a decision. It in no way supports your conclusion that the Inogen is OK “because it doesn’t mention altitude restrictions “. The fact is still the same that the manufacturer does in fact have these restrictions  

 

I don’t care who agrees with me or doesn’t, but you keep posting half truths and inaccuracies not based in fact and contrary to the manufacturer suggestions and guidelines.  It’s an important topic, and it’s important if we’re going to talk about it, there is an ACCURATE source of information.  As long as you keep posting inaccuracies, I’m going to keep correcting them  

 

 

Edited yesterday at 04:53 AM by Aaviationist

[Pinecone]

19 hours ago, Aaviationist said:

Not sure about the federal reg side, but for Inogen, they definitely don’t want you doing what Will is doing. 

No reg sets any requirement other than you must use some form of supplemental O2.

The 5 year life on the columns is based on 24/7 use.  If you fly 168 hours a year using it, that is 1 week of medical use.  So that 5 year life is MANY aircraft years.

Most of use using the units wear a pulse oximeter to continuously monitor our O2 saturation level.

[Pinecone]

7 hours ago, Aaviationist said:

Again, if you’re going to reference something, reference all of it. That document is for oxygen containment and delivery systems. The only mention of MSOG is that small paragraph where it mentions the military has tried it, but it basically doesn’t exist in GA. 
 

I have clipped it and posted it here for full reference for those who want full facts to make a decision. It in no way supports your conclusion that the Inogen is OK “because it doesn’t mention altitude restrictions “. The fact is still the same that the manufacturer does in fact have these restrictions  

 

I don’t care who agrees with me or doesn’t, but you keep posting half truths and inaccuracies not based in fact and contrary to the manufacturer suggestions and guidelines.  It’s an important topic, and it’s important if we’re going to talk about it, there is an ACCURATE source of information.  As long as you keep posting inaccuracies, I’m going to keep correcting them  

 

 

And when was that written?

It IS becoming more common, but so far not as a built in system.

[Pinecone]

8 hours ago, N201MKTurbo said:

. The only regulation I can think of with regard to supplemental oxygen is to ware a mask above 18000 feet.

What reg is that?

[Pinecone]

8 hours ago, Aaviationist said:

Again, and I’m not sure why you aren’t getting this into your brain - 

I am not saying it. The manufacturer that makes the thing is. that is what YOU are completely ignoring. A quick call to Inogen will confirm anything I’ve posted above, as it comes straight from their documentation for intended, approved, and appropriate use. Anything else would be “inappropriate “ which would mean it is NOT a proper source of supplemental oxygen. 
 

id be very curious to see your aircraft logbooks and what “opinions” for maintenance you have deferred based on irrelevant online opinions. I’m sure it’s significant. 
 

call Inogen and tell them they are fear mongering. 

To be complete, call and ask Inogen about using a continuous pulse oximeter with an alarm feature.

Like the FAA regs, their advice is based on no monitoring of actual blood oxygen saturation levels.

[Aaviationist]

15 minutes ago, Pinecone said:

And when was that written?

It IS becoming more common, but so far not as a built in system.

2023. 

[Pinecone]

Thanks

[N201MKTurbo]

11 minutes ago, Pinecone said:

What reg is that?

You are correct, I can’t find one.

The FAA brochure I posted says the regulations require a mask above 18000, then they post 91.211 but it doesn’t mention it. I have always been taught that, but where is the reg?

[Aaviationist]

13 minutes ago, Pinecone said:

To be complete, call and ask Inogen about using a continuous pulse oximeter with an alarm feature.

Like the FAA regs, their advice is based on no monitoring of actual blood oxygen saturation levels.

The questionable part is if it counts as a valid supplemental oxygen system if you are using it in a way the manufacturer directly tells you not to. 
 

I would argue it isn’t. 

[Aaviationist]

14 minutes ago, Pinecone said:

To be complete, call and ask Inogen about using a continuous pulse oximeter with an alarm feature.

Like the FAA regs, their advice is based on no monitoring of actual blood oxygen saturation levels.

While I do t know for sure, those number have to be based on testing. How that testing is done, I don’t know, but I’m sure there is a reason they explicitly tell you not to use it as stated above. 

[N201MKTurbo]

I feel better about that time I went to FL190 with a cannula. 

[N201MKTurbo]

2 minutes ago, Aaviationist said:

While I do t know for sure, those number have to be based on testing. How that testing is done, I don’t know, but I’m sure there is a reason they explicitly tell you not to use it as stated above. 

It is called CYA. There is no regulation.