CFII in Nashville Area

[ajudson]

I am looking for a CFII who can help me finish out my IR in my J. I am based out of M54. I have talked to a few CFIIs in the area, but have not found one with Mooney experience. My insurance open pilot clause requires at least 25 hours in a M20J. I could probably add a named pilot with a different experience level, but just thought I'd check here first before going through that process! Thanks!

[rbp]

don't need a mooney specialist if you're already qualified (like for the IR). 

also, because I have so much time in my plane, when I didn't have a medical and needed to fly with an instructor, my insurance agent told me the instructor didn't need to meet the open pilot requirement because *I* was still insured and at the controls. For the one instructor who wanted to be named on my policy, they issued an "Approved Flight Instructor Amendment": "The flight instructor(s) named below must maintain a valid Certified Flight Instructor’s certificate (including the appropriate ratings) and valid medical certificate (if applicable) as required by the Federal Aviation Administration or its foreign equivalent."

[ajudson]

1 hour ago, rbp said:

also, because I have so much time in my plane, when I didn't have a medical and needed to fly with an instructor, my insurance agent told me the instructor didn't need to meet the open pilot requirement because *I* was still insured and at the controls.

I have been trying to understand how this works. It seems that any CFII would be fine as long as I am PIC. But I assume during the IFR cross country I would be taking a risk if I am not technically PIC? What about during Simulated/Actual?

[rbp]

49 minutes ago, ajudson said:

I have been trying to understand how this works. It seems that any CFII would be fine as long as I am PIC. But I assume during the IFR cross country I would be taking a risk if I am not technically PIC? What about during Simulated/Actual?

Since its "insurance" and not "FAA", you would have to ask the insurance company. Perhaps *experience* over *certifications*. maybe  @Parker_Woodruff knows

[kortopates]

You’re still PIC as sole manipulator of the controls regardless of VMC or IMC. But of course the CFI is also PIC.

Of course you want a Mooney experienced CFI in your model since they should save you time and money and provide better instruction. I’ve checked out many part 121 and 135 turbine pilots and just because they have 10,000+ hours doesn’t mean they’ll be competent to instruct in your Mooney without adequate Mooney experience. In fact many many will already be having a single engine emergency as soon as they hop into your cockpit … kidding of course

The insurance issue is really for the CFI. You are covered regardless as long as the CFI meets the Open Pilot Clause. But many of us consider this inadequate since if anything goes sideways, the CFI can expect after your company makes you whole they will subrogate there losses against the CFI - cause we’re not covered by the open pilot clause - just you and any other named insured. That’s why many of us will insist on being an additional insured for providing instruction with a subrogation waiver.

Younger time building CFI’s used to instruction at a school or club where they are on the insurance policy, don’t even realize the financial risk they’re taking when they jump into a private owners cockpit - but then again they don’t have much assets at risk either.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[Parker_Woodruff]

Definitely a conversation to have with your broker.  But typically there aren't any underwriting challenges.

[rbp]

17 hours ago, kortopates said:

You’re still PIC as sole manipulator of the controls regardless of VMC or IMC

this is not correct. you can LOG PIC as sole manipulator of the controls as an instrument stuent, but you cannot act PIC in IMC, unless you have an instrument rating for that category (Instrument Airplane)

[rbp]

17 hours ago, kortopates said:

I’ve checked out many part 121 and 135 turbine pilots and just because they have 10,000+ hours doesn’t mean they’ll be competent to instruct in your Mooney without adequate Mooney experience

What specific challenges does not having "mooney time" present in instrument instruction (as opposed to primary or transition instruction)? 

the bigger challenge for an instrument instructor is finding one that is competent with your TAA. A CFII with 1000 hours instructing in moonies with steam gauges is not the instructor you want if you have a glass panel. 

 

[kortopates]

this is not correct. you can LOG PIC as sole manipulator of the controls as an instrument stuent, but you cannot act PIC in IMC, unless you have an instrument rating for that category (Instrument Airplane)

very true. should have been more specific.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk