Selling M20R

[driller]

I have the Ovation and experience with a turbo Bonanza. For sure the turbo helps on climbs and is a useful tool with high DA takeoffs. But, the turbo doesn't do anything for the effects of DA on the prop and wing. It isn't magic. And as was said earlier, if you are at 60% of 310hp Ovation in you are pretty close to  sea level take off in a 200hp J. But lose a turbo or cylinders and you have a different story. Personally, I think the turbo is  unneeded added cost and risk. 

 

Nice plane.  It's all about what you do and where you do it to determine whether it is a needed extra cost.    Flying between 15 and 22 thou doing 210kts at 12.7 gal per hour over the weather is worth the cost and "risk"?  Getting on top of the weather is most certainly worth it.  Losing a cylinder in any plane will be a different story.  It's all about your intended mission.  I recently had an opportunity to get in on an O and turned it down because of where I enjoy flying. UP high.

 

curt

[Robert C.]

Principally the lower glare shield when compared to a pre-2004 O2.

 

The folks at Strategic Aircraft brought up a GX as well, but I'm note too sure about the WAAS upgrade path. I can see not really needing WAAS if you avoid hard IFR (which I would), but you still need a 2020 ADS-B solution. And besides, they are a fair bit more expensive

 

 

Thanks Robert. I think I should have no problem selling it. 

 

Why the interest in the DX? I understand wanting a GX, but what does a DX get you?

[PMcClure]

Thanks Robert. The DX is never really defined well. I thought you got the new glare shield and maybe 100 gallon tanks vs 89, but not sure on that. I would stay away from a GX unless you could upgrade to WAAS. Even if you don't need WAAS, It may be hard to resell. The upgrade to G1000 costs about $70-100k. I think there is a GX for sale now on controller without WAAS upgrade capability. 

 

I have faith the ADS-B solution will arrive in time! 

 

Good luck in your search. 

[carusoam]

O1 had 100 gal tanks in 94.

At least the one I'm familiar with did.

Best regards,

-a-

[PMcClure]

I think all Ovations actually have 100 gallon tanks. But am I correct that the O1 and O2 are limited to 89 useful by the silly filler neck? You can actually get 100 in the tanks. Later models upped to 100 by removal of the neck. 

[carusoam]

Not on mine...

That is more of an Eagle issue.

The last three gallons takes some time. The actual number was slightly over 100, like 103?

Now I'll check the POH....

Best regards,

-a-

[Cruiser]

MOONEY AIRPLANE COMPANY, INC. 50 GALLON FUEL TANKS

M20R, M20TN AFM SUPPLEMENT

Original Issue: 02--1--08

SECTION II -- LIMITATIONS

FUEL LIMITATIONS

Standard Tanks (2) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 53.0 U. S. Gal. Each (200.6 liters)

Total Fuel Capacity . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 106 U. S. Gal. (401.3 liters)

Usable Fuel : . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 100.0 U. S. Gal. (378.5 liters)

Unusable Fuel : . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6.0 U. S. Gal. (22.7 liters)

Fuel Grade (and color) : . . . . . . . 100 LL (low lead) (blue) or 100 Octane (green) is approved

 

REFUELING

Integrally sealed tanks, in forward, inboard sections of wing (LH & RH), carry the standard fuel

quantity. With aircraft positioned on level ground, service each fuel tank after flight with 100 octane

or 100LL aviation grade gasoline. The fuel tank contains 44.5 gal (168.45 li) fuel when

level is at bottom of filler standpipe. An additional 5.5 gallons (21.0 li.) of fuel may be added

up to the 0.37” hole located top of the neck in the standpipe for a total of 50.0 gallons

(189 li.) in each tank.

 

SECTION V – PERFORMANCE

M20R – OVATION 2

INCREASE RANGE AND ENDURANCE BY 5.2 % OVER RANGE AND ENDURANCE OF

89 GALLON CAPACITY:

M20TN – ACCLAIM

INCREASE RANGE AND ENDURANCE BY 5.2 % OVER RANGE AND ENDURANCE OF

89 GALLON CAPACITY:

[Cruiser]

MOONEY AIRPLANE COMPANY, INC. 51 GALLON FUEL TANKS

M20M, M20R, M20TN AFM SUPPLEMENT

REVISION A 12-28-2006

SECTION II -- LIMITATIONS

FUEL LIMITATIONS

Standard Tanks (2) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 54.0 U. S. Gal. Each (204.4 liters)

Total Fuel Capacity . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 108 U. S. Gal. (408.8 liters)

Usable Fuel : . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 102.0 U. S. Gal. (386.1 liters)

Unusable Fuel : . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6.0 U. S. Gal. (22.7 liters)

Fuel Grade (and color) : . . . . . . . 100 LL (low lead) (blue) or 100 Octane (green) is approved

 

REFUELING

Integrally sealed tanks, in forward, inboard sections of wing (LH & RH), carry the standard fuel

quantity. With aircraft positioned on level ground, service each fuel tank after flight with 100 octane

or 100LL aviation grade gasoline. The fuel tank standpipe ismarked at the bottom edge

to show that 44.5 gal (168.45 li) is contained in the tank. An additional 5.6 gallons of fuel

may be added up to the mark at the top of the wedge shaped slot in the stand pipe for a

total of 51.0 gallons (193.0 li.) in each tank.

 

SECTION V – PERFORMANCE

M20M -- -- BRAVO

INCREASE RANGE AND ENDURANCE BY 3.9 %:

M20R – OVATION 2

INCREASE RANGE AND ENDURANCE BY 5.2 %:

M20TN – ACCLAIM

INCREASE RANGE AND ENDURANCE BY 5.2 %:

[Cruiser]

The 310 HP STC increases the fuel capacity to 95 gallons/89 usable and increases the gross weight to 3368 lbs.

However the maximum landing weight remains at 3200 lbs. creating a situation where you can take off but not land if you are carrying too much fuel.

[PMcClure]

This is interesting. I have the 280hp version and my gross is 3368, same as the 310 version. I think the tanks are placarded at 44.5 gallons useable each. I have about a 2 inch filler neck that extends down into the tank. Line guys tell me that ovations come with a 4" neck, a 2" neck or no neck, giving 75, 89 or 102 gallons capacity. According to the supplement above, I am allowed to take up to 51 gallons. 

 

So - should I get new placards from Mooney?

[carusoam]

Modify the neck to match the numbers....

Best regards,

-a-

[Will W]

I'd be a buyer if TKS was installed.  I also seek a DX for the same reasons.