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Quote: Bnicolette No, I guess you certainly don't have to use an "official" source, but certainly are required to know what the wx is doing? I think Doc was just trying to say that if you use an official source that it would be able to be proved that you indeed checked the weather. Sec. 91.103 — Preflight action. Each pilot in command shall, before beginning a flight, become familiar with all available information concerning that flight. This information must include— (a) For a flight under IFR or a flight not in the vicinity of an airport, weather reports and forecasts, fuel requirements, alternatives available if the planned flight cannot be completed, and any known traffic delays of which the pilot in command has been advised by ATC;

Brett, I'm serious. I'm not saying it's a good idea. But the regs don't require it. Especially not in any "official" sort of form that is being discussed here. Show me what regulation requires you to get a weather briefing from WXBRIEF, DUAT, DUATS?

Who says you're even required to get a weather briefing!?

Quote: WardHolbrook Because you're landing at an uncontrolled airport underlying class B airspace and ATC (for lack of a better term) demands that you cancel as soon as you can make it visually?

Quote: WardHolbrook Why would you cancel IFR while you're on approach in Class B airspace? One of the expectations that ATC has in IFR operations is that everyone will be predictable. What would possibly gained?

Quote: txbyker N9154X, I am not quite a year old IFR pilot. On one of my first IFR trips coming home last year in VMC conditions I was sent into Class B at a high altitude up there with descending commercial jets. Like a rookie I asked ATC if I was "cleared into class B?" and he replied very puzzled and said you are on an IFR flight plan and you are always cleared into class B under IFR and there is no need to ask. I am not a CFI.

Byron, if you could get away with flying RNAV/Direct with your VFR GPS, it would make everyone else who paid $10K+ look dumb for getting certified equipment. That's why it's not gonna happen any time soon.

I'm very interested in this as well. Someone told me that you have to depart from an international airport in the US when going to Canada. So if leaving from a small uncontrolled field, that you have to land in a US based international airport before going to Canada. However, the AOPA article doesn't mention this. What's the story with outbound procedures?

Any Mooney will make it in under 10 hours but I don't think you'd want 4 adults in any of them for that long!

Quote: Mcstealth My CFI asked me a question last week that I did not know the 'right' answer. The question; "If you are completely lost in VFR conditions, what do you do." I said I would contact my nearest approach, state my situation. They would have me squak, and they would give me a radial or some type of direction and with that information, I could regain my lost situational awareness. What did I say wrong? Everything? Thanks in advance.

Quote: mrjones30 Now when you mean pilot error, did they just make a mistake that they can't correct or tried to do something they don't normally do?

Wow, among the incredibly long flights posted here I feel pretty embarassed about my longest. Sounds like a local flight compared to some of you guys! KLDJ -> KTLH was my longest at 780nm with a single (unmandatory) fuel stop along the way.

It almost doesn't matter considering the vast majority of accidents are considered "pilot error." If you eliminate the pilot, they're all safe airplanes!

I didn't really know how to fly until I got my Mooney if that counts?

That closes up beautifully! Shame it only gives 4mph at most! I can see why they didn't standardize it on most models.

Relocating the airport is anything from impossible to potentially costing millions. If she hates it so much, why doesn't she move? I'm sure the airport is a major boost to the local economy. Perhaps airports should start launching more campaigns for relocating nuisance neighbors instead.

Yours totally has inner gear doors. Have you ever seen a piper from below? Their entire wheel is exposed!

Have any of you guys ever camped out at airports? Are most small/rural airports ok with pitching a tent and staying the night?

I can tell you for sure that my '78 201 has inner gear doors and all other vintages of 201 that I've seen have them as well. I think they just changed the layout of the gear doors a little in those later models.

*And the ones built before then that had a gear up since then and opted for the mod.

Just came across this (happened not too long ago in fact): http://www.rappnews.com/2012/03/08/no-fatalities-in-amissville-plane-crash/90243/ http://www.rappnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/r_planeClose-08web.jpg Nothing left but the roll cage. Fire must have consumed all of it. Both occupants survived!

Looking at those pics again, I can see how the passengers were relatively unharmed... but the legs!? Considering how we stick our legs practically into the engine compartment and looking how the engine and panel are entirely torn away, yikes!

aviatoreb put it very well. Even just looking at this crash, it is evident that the passenger compartment held up very well while the rest of the airplane disintegrated. This doesn't prove that others do it worse, but it does show how well the Mooney roll cage does hold together. Considering the majority of accidents happen on takeoff/landing, we are indeed looking at a speed range of 60-100 knots rather than 175! This was an example of one of them. So happy to see that everyone got out ok!

What were you doing? Cruising beyond yellow arc and slamming them shut??? Damn. Your plane is like a maintenance magnet! Or a maintenance gold mine depending from who's perspective you look at it!

Quote: allsmiles That escort plane in the background with the charactreristic "backwards" tail...what model Mooney is that??