Well Ross I’ve got your answer, I’m not attempting to be a smart ass but providing my facts. Around about 1985 I had a very nice Cherokee 160, my instructor had a Mooney model E nice I became enamored with his speed when he passed me one Sunday on our way to lunch at Lancaster which is the home of Weber Mooney Service and Sales. I didn’t want him to pass me again so Mr Henry Weber a very nice honest man made me a great deal on a 1977 201 J which worked well until Mooney went into financial difficulties 1988 they offered planes at a huge discount over prior years but using direct marketing good ol Dirk Vandersee found my contact info and talked us into a looksee he flew a new 1988 up to Wilmington my wife said as long as it’s not red we can be nice and say no and take him to dinner. Coming down the ILS was a nice red and white J being new was faster and new equipment one problem nice Mr Weber wanted to know why I’d buy from Mooney passing him by not giving him a chance I politely informed him of the huge discount he mentioned son, yep I was young at one time but stupid, he said he will beat Mooney’s deal easy any time …why the heck would they cut my throat he said ..after all I’ve done to help the company. So Mr Dirk the deals off I’m dealing with Mr Weber, I still go there by the way, oh back to the E model and the need for speed I was talking to Ross about, well some 17 years later we wanted to do a lot more trips so along came a new red Bravo GX long range tanks the Mooney company again in financial difficulty …so I get my last great deal on a Mooney in my quest for speed like Andrei, unfortunately the company being somewhat the sleez they can be and I didn’t know Mooneyscape or any other social site to provide info that a Mooney Acclaim was being introduced I purchased from Premiere who didn’t let the cat out of the bag. Ultimately due to unscrupulous insurance agents I sold the Bravo believing I would’nt be able to get insurance after age 75, after selling the Bravo my lying agent found insurance and I ended up with the speed queen a Mooney Acclaim TypeS. Sorry Ross I really thought it wouldn’t be so voluminous to write up my question for speed like Andrei.