Urs_Wildermuth

Thanks, which one to buy? There is a red can which sais it lubricant and a blue Corrosion-X HD which sais it's a non-hardening film? The airplane is hangared.

Yes, that is what I have to find out. Very rapidly. At the moment from my position this is simply a quest for information and for options, in case that more surfaces to the point where we have an airworthiness problem. Also I want to make darn sure I don't paint a wing which has a time bomb hidden some place. We had some corrosion removed following my incident and the prolonged inactivity which followed. And some say, corrosion is like cancer, once it starts somewhere, it will eventually resurface, the question is simply when and where. And of course to what extent.

Don is certainly going to be my Nr1 go to guy but I need more facts on the table before I talk to him. But yea, if I were in the US, I'd be on my way to Longview now. And no, the airplane is not N-reg (EASA) and I am in Zurich, Switzerland. But flying it there sounds like a great project too, just that by the time I get time off to do that it may be too late if what ever they found progresses.

Oh, that is indeed valuable information, as I was always under the impression that this is not the case. I don't know yet just what it is they are concerned with, the main thing is that everyone is spooked by wing spar or spar cap corrosion (usually behind the seats) and I've seen lots of Mooneys scrapped just because of this. So I want to be pro-active and try to source a solution before the problem becomes so that we need one RIGHT NOW. What they said is they have seen some possible traces of corrosion which they are not sure what it is and if it progresses or not. I have to add that the guy who is in charge of this is VERY experienced with vintage airplanes much older than the Mooney and he is very good at treating corrosion and finding solutions where others may call the reaper. So if he sees something that disturbs him, it certainly gets my undivided attention. I will let them know and also try to find out who can do these kinds of repairs in Europe. If the spar cap and stub spars can indeed be exchanged and the exchange makes sense financially vs a new wing, then hell yea. Now that is also very interesting, particularly as an "F" Wing would mean 64 USG fuel capacity. Would that wing have an acceptable part nr which would be accepted by EASA as a valid replacement? If so, that would definitly be interesting. Basically, the plan these next years would be the following: - Replace all windows as they have become quite scratched and pretty bad - Repaint the whole airplane. But obvioulsy befor any of the above is done, we need to make sure that we are not going to end up with a nicely done airplane which then turns into a wreckable airframe due to underlaying corrosion issues.

Folks, question to run by you guys. I have been informed by my maintenance that my wing shows some signs of possible upcoming corrosion problems. What has been discovered so far has been treated and the plane is airworthy but mid term I will have to look at different options. One of those being a wing change for a corrosion free wing. I know that this has been done before. But my major problem is that I am in Europe, not in the US where 99% of all spare parts sit. First of all, I would need a wing which fits onto a 1965 Mooney M20C. I believe the C - and E- wings are the same? Do exchange wings usually include the main landing gear? Then I would quite possibly either need to ship it over here or to fly the airplane over to the US to do the change there. Or of course, if there was a wing available in Europe it would make things a LOT easier. How "flexible" are we with the wing itself? Are the wings for the E, G or F series applicable, e.g. can a E, G or F wing be used for this purpose? As I said, it's not yet a "life and grim reaper" situation but I am kind of looking to avoid getting to that point. So thoughts and ideas or pointers to available wings are appreciated, both in the open or by PM. Best regards Urs

Well, happily things are not that crazy here, so nobody will chop up a perfectly good airplane for that reason in Europe. Friend of mine is asking, is there a drawing of the forward wing spar part (the one visible from the cabin) where you can identify which parts are which?

IMHO this shows how irrational liability fears have corrupted a society. Or, if real, how perverted liability legislation has become.

Well, me being in Europe, experimental is not really something I am looking at. Limited to day-vfr and so on. Anyway, for now it is only a hypothetical question, there is no direct reason to replace the wing right now. Ok, thanks.

Thanks a lot. Ok, yes I guess that makes sense. So which wings qualify? Does the whole wing have a part number? And are they limited to one model or even specific years?

Just out of curiosity as I had some discussion about it. If one needs to use a donor wing for an M20C, which models can be donors for a complete wing swap? If I get it right, the wings of the C model are identical to the D, E and G? How similar safe for the fuel tank capacity is the F Wing? Or even the J?

Talking of the MAPA Site, does anyone know where the Kromer Reviews of our Mooneys can be found these days?

I'd love to get back flying the Antonov AN2. Was a great experience. But unfortunately i don't own an Avgas well... After flying with limited payload, this one would be the ideal family plane.... it certainly will take your wife, teenage daughters and most of the luggage they can come up with, which makes it quite different from a Mooney . Downside, 160-300 liters per hour fuel, 100 liter oil tank, 120 KTAS. Flying this thing in command was one of the highlights of my flying so far.

We got it too, after 2 vaccinations and 1 booster. However, total non event. 2 days a bit off, 3 days wait out the quarantine and retest, done. Was not during flying season but I guess one week after would have been ok. I had two workmates who refused vaccination and got seriously sick, one was off work for 2 months, the other for 6 weeks, in the same time period as we got it in early 2022. On the opposite, some of our relatives live(d) in one of the countries where only 20% of the people got vaccinated due to inherent distrust to everything any government will say. Well. My mother in law is the only survivor in her age group in a block of flats where she lived for over 50 years. All her neighbours of similar age died, 8 of them within a week. She did not knowingly get it but was vaccinated on schedule. We lost several relatives, the youngest of which 29 years of age. Similarily, in a village we often stay in summer, I got one of my friends to get vaccinated and boostered. That winter, the village got ravaged by Covid. He was one of the few who could be up and about all the time and help. All in all, during the whole time since the start of the pandemic, we lost some 50 people we knew to Covid. Sure, some were elderly, but most of them would be alive today without Covid. About 10 of them died before vaccinations were out here in Switzerland, the rest died when they could have gotten vaccinated but chose to believe FUD spread by conspiracy theorists and antivaxxers. Not one of the people we knew who died was vaccinated. I got my 4th shot a few weeks ago. I never suffered any side effects. Currently, quite a few people at work and elsewhere are sick on and off. Nobody is testing anymore. By now Covid has spread sufficiently for it to become endemic in those countries where it did spread. That you can't get Covid once vaccinated was a misconception. The goal was to prepare the body for the virus so that severe illnesses and hospitalisation could be avoided and of course reduce the quota of deaths.

Absolutely shocked to read his wife's post. Ron is a great guy. Prayers for him and his family in this heavy time.

Well, from my previous experience with the old prop I'd have said the '65 values were pretty good (fuel flow wise) but we will see what comes out when we testfly. I am kind of wondering how to determine what % power I have standing with now 2 different fuel flow definitions between the 2 POH's. I guess MP will become the governing figure now.