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By Alan Levin / December 7, 2021 10:10AM ET / Bloomberg Government A coalition of aviation groups has called a proposal by AT&T Inc. and Verizon Communications Inc. to limit the strength of 5G signals “inadequate,” adding a new level of controversy over the service set to start next month. The Aerospace Industries Association in a letter to the Federal Communications Commission called for additional restrictions on 5G mobile-phone towers near airport approaches and landing pads for helicopters. Bloomberg News reviewed the letter, which was dated Monday but hasn’t yet been posted to the FCC’s website. “Our proposal also aims to minimize the impact on both the telecom operations and our national aviation system,” the trade group said in the letter. The two wireless companies have said that the new 5G service in the so-called C-band poses no risk to aviation and on Nov. 24 offered to limit intensity of the signals, but aviation groups remain concerned that the radio waves are too close to those used by a critical safety device known as a radar altimeter and could cause interference. The AIA letter was earlier reported by Reuters. AT&T and Verizon pledged in the Nov. 24 letter to operate the new 5G service at reduced power everywhere for six months, with even lower power levels and limited antenna heights near airports and along landing paths. Transmissions would also be limited for antennas pointed skyward and at locations near “public helipads,” the companies said. AT&T and Verizon also opened the door to extending the restrictions beyond six months if “credible evidence emerges that real-world interference would occur if the measures were relaxed,” they said in the letter. The U.S. Federal Aviation Administration is expected as soon as Tuesday to issue possible flight restrictions once the 5G service becomes active starting on Jan. 5.

Sorry, didn’t order anything. All from the factory this way.

How about everybody who posts in this topic send Mooney $100? We could have them recapitalized in no time… Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

Think I’d forego the parachute and seek an STC to upgrade to Wife 2.0. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Not disputing you. Just wondering then why the FAA concerned

I was curious as to the inference that it might affect glideslopes. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

What leads you to that conclusion? I agree about radar altimeters but appears to have other impacts. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

FYI - Potential 5G interference issues for aviation https://www.wsj.com/articles/faa-plans-warnings-to-pilots-airlines-over-new-5g-rollout-11635524648?st=mdfurj009paqd0i&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink

True. Many folks have been seduced by Teslas as well. Having driven one, as well as having flown a Cirrus, I’ll stick with the Vette and the Mooney.

No need. Already have one.

It gets less gray when you consider that the Acclaim Ultra costs more than $100K less than the Cirrus. It is also faster than the Cirrus while only asking for 280 hp out of the same engine rather than 315 hp, it should last longer.

Well, I’m interested, but it’s going to require a car chase and a shootout to keep me really hooked.

Congrats

I didn’t say Mooneys were cheaper to build, I said they are sold for less. So, it’s almost a certainty that Cirrus makes more profit per plane, especially considering their volume. But it also means a Mooney is a relative bargain for the buyer. And I dispute that the Cirrus is a more “capable” product than a Bonanza or a Mooney. Just a slightly different product. Compared to a Mooney, slower, larger inside, and a heavily marketed parachute. Compared to a Bonanza, I’m guessing cheaper, and cheaper to repair, but I don’t know that for certain.

The Kardashians are quite successful, but I don't consider them to be a good idea. Nonetheless, I'm surprised by many of the comments on this thread about the design of the Mooney, aluminum airplanes, etc. I suspect much of the success of the Cirrus has to do with non-pilot passengers who are seduced by the "safety" of a parachute. Is it just another tool? Yes, and if it works for you, great. But it is not a panacea. I suspect the challenges Mooney has faced include poor timing, poor marketing, and useful load, along with a perception of being hard to fly and cramped. Useful load is an issue as a family hauler for sure, but I don't find the later models cramped nor hard to fly. While the labor involved in building is a profits problem, it is not a customer problem insofar as Mooney's are cheaper than a Cirrus, and often substantially so. The greater issue, I suspect in the often tenuous future of the company which impacts considerations for resale and parts supply. There is nothing inherently better about a composite airplane, and some things that are worse. As for being outdated, my Acclaim has received unsolicited praise on virtually every ramp I've parked. If Mooney had the capital to reengineer the gear to add useful load, which might include a parachute - although I'd never buy one, a good marketing team, and greater customer confidence in the future of the brand, I suspect it could sell airplanes.

Think many are asking the very same question about social media right now, but I digress…

The marketplace also spoke on pet rocks and gangsta rap. Popular is not equal to good idea. But I may just be hopelessly counterculture.

Great question. None of the items you reference make you a passenger in an unguided airplane. All preserve the airframe and I stand to be corrected but I believe can operate in a wider envelope. And none were a bandaid solution to a stall spin problem. So, no. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Opinions vary, for sure. And everyone is entitled to their own choice. But I don’t view transitioning from being a pilot to being a passenger of an unguided soon to be wreckage as much of a safety device. It appears to me that Cirrus tried to turn a fundamental problem into an asset via astute marketing. I’ll believe otherwise when the first Gulfstream or 737 sports a parachute. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

Fair enough. I’m spoiled because I have an Acclaim Ultra. Two doors helps and I understand it feels a little more spacious than earlier models. I’m perfectly happy with the room. Recently flew with backseat passengers who were happy as well. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

And yet, many people choose a Corvette over a roomy sedan. So, Cirrus is the Chevy Malibu of the airplane world and Mooney is the Corvette. I see a market for both. I have flown a Cirrus. I bought a Mooney. I like everything about it better than the Cirrus. And for me, a parachute is the equivalent of putting training wheels on a Kawasaki Ninja. I think this has more to do with marketing than anything, with useful load coming in a strong second. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

Or he could be busy trying to save the company, which is a higher priority than satisfying our curiosity. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

Thanks, Mike. I’ve never used full up trim and don’t plan to do so. And have done go arounds, so I am familiar with the pressures. I almost alway land with T/O flaps only. Was just curious about others.

Depending on the services available where I am flying, I sometimes take a Dewalt cordless inflator, in addition to pliers, screwdriver, etc.