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Not sure you need an attorney for this, you would probably be better served by contacting an aviation tax consultant.

One other reality. A different set of eyes will almost always find more… proper expectations will help you assimilate this genre. Take pleasure in knowing your bird is in tip top shape. The consequences are more than inconvenient.

“Feel” is incredibly important, this is not to suggest that knowing the numbers and technique is not important. It actually absolutely critical to developing feel. My home drome is a class delta, and “the pattern”, is something I get to fly about one in ten landings. The rest of the time I am being squeezed into all sorts of different scenarios. If wind or weather is a factor for me, I request the approach. Otherwise it must be seat of the pants. Well, I guess I could fly around until the controller is willing to let me fly the pattern by the book, but that’s a whole other conversation. Bottom line is you must learn, comprehend and practice proper technique and numbers in order to develop the correct feel. If you live by one or the other exclusively, it will either end poorly or never be enjoyable. I always learn something new from these discussions, regardless if I see it a different way. For this, I am grateful.

I’d be willing to bet before you could get an stc approved they will reduce the size of this to an iPhone.

Good advice here. I’ll tell you that a large annual after acquisition is pretty typical. Be careful with “cheap” solutions like the tail beacon. if all you want is compliance then it’s fine, but if you determine you want traffic later, you maybe spending twice. excited for you. I have loved and been excited about every Mooney I have ever had, and I have left them all better than I received them!

What a beautiful little Aerostar Mooney! if only I didn’t already own two!

While I continue to find myself sounding like I am defending them, this isn’t really the case… but… new owners have debt to contend with so some changes would be expected, and the law of economics suggests people do what brings the best return, and pay the price when the do not. This experiment will be no different.

Is that known information or speculation? That is kind of petty and vindictive (Lasar doing that, not you calling attention to it…),but was it the current owners?

Well when I looked at the part list for my acclaim and searched on lasar it does not show the correct gallons for my plane. It topped out at 35 gal. I have a 50gal tank

Does this apply to every single thing on an airplane? I mean are wing gauges an MEL item, or an airworthy item?

Never seen one without a metal back but it doesn’t surprise me. but interrupting a production line for a small batch absolutely cost a huge premium. Can’t say for sure that it warrants 120 bucks, but it is absolutely a factor. I would put either in the plane if I was missing one, and would buy the Amazon one and grind off the tabs before I’d pay 120 bucks. I was told that if Lasar is unsuccessful the Chinese will buy Mooney, keep the tc active and take all the engineering to china and shelve it. this would be far worse than bankruptcy. I still want Lasar to succeed, I just can’t be persuaded by this current plan. they need to recalibrate. ps, I have t seen my plane in a while, but don’t the modern mooney’s have 45 gallon as the high end?

To be fair, interrupting the production line for a run of 25 would dramatically increase the cost. also, the gauge you spec’d (I just looked at and put it in my basket.) if you were to offer 5000 of them I bet it would cost them 10% of what they paid each there is nothing to these gauges, a magnet paper and plexiglass is all plastic, and the wing gauge from Mooney is metal. still a punishingly high price, but not completely the same.

Toyota imports 212,000 camry's in one year into the US, that is about 200k more than all the mooney's ever made.. A "high" production aircraft is still a scarce item. I do not want to pay monthly for some vague promise of priority and pricing, or to have "early" access to parts. This seems like a poorly thought out idea. None of the advantages are quantifiable, and it certainly makes them seem desperate. I mean if someone who does not subscribe needs a part in the future are they going to refuse to sell it to them? Of course not, they want to sell as many parts as possible. Or lets say there is no stock of an item that requires a minimum order of 50 to get from the vendor and one subscribing customer orders one part, what happens? Do they order the 50 and hope to sell them to other subscribers or do they wait until they have most or all of them sold prior to ordering? None of this is clarified. I would have preferred to prepay some amount in the form of a credit, to order future parts at cost plus 10% that would be attached to my tail number. This way it is actually something that you could use if you kept the plane, or at least use as a selling point to the person buying the plane. This is absolutely quantifiable, allows everyone to choose their own level of support or participation, and could provide Lasar the cash to build inventory. They could also do a survey of desired parts, to compliment the database search of what is selling to identify the best and highest need for parts I get the logic behind the idea to make this analogous to insurance, they felt that the owners would like to make sure product support would continue. I mean all of us want Mooney to survive and produce parts to keep our fleet flying, but even after all this time and all the feedback, they still cannot adequately explain how this benefits the person paying the fees. What happens if you subscribe to the "Gold" level for 10 years and at the end you have ordered $5,000 in parts. You have paid $50,000 for the privilege of a 25% discount which saved you $1,250? Mind you, none of these levels of membership guarantee availability of anything either! If you had to wait 4 months for an order to be filled this would not bring about a bunch of warm and fuzzy feelings about the monthly bill. This is not a compelling sales pitch at all, in fact, it seems like a very poorly received attempt to persuade. When that happens you need to reevaluate and adjust. When you are doing something that is not working and making the issue worse, the first step is to stop that thing! I also see that I am not in the minority of opinions here, their own website says only 8 people have elected to "join". Here is the kicker, while mooneyspace is a small sample of the ownership demographic, we are a much more relevant example of engaged owners who actually do think about the future of the company. I would venture to bet that 70% of owners are completely oblivious to this situation and if they got something in the mail asking them to pay monthly to support a business they do not currently need anything from, that mailer is going directly from the mailbox to the garbage can. If people who are engaged and care, cannot figure out the benefit, how to you expect to convince the rest of the fleets owners? At least a prepaid credit toward future parts as a capital raise is simple and quantifiable. I have been optimistic/hopeful, and very open to hearing them tailor this proposal to make more sense, but it appears they are not going to go this direction. If I am missing something and there is a benefit here, I would love someone to explain it to me.

I am willing to bet new ones one will not last as long!

I suppose they are “more” prone to cracking at a certain point, but apparently that happens a lot less than they even predicted. I agree, just changed mine and they were 20 years old. About the same compression as yours actually. if I wasn’t about to paint, I doubt I would have changed them.

You can get away with using them 40 years. it’s probably just a little rougher on everything in the suspension chain. our little planes are very robust.

I saw this on the Mooneyflyer and though pt it was pretty interesting. Not an unfair price for what you get. if my plane sat for weeks, I would absolutely consider this.

yes, that is what is happening at our airport with rent. The claim that they aren't market rates is somehwat of a canard. the metal boxes were built for 35k 50 years ago, and the land and hangar was built with taxpayer money. The base cost to build and maintain should set the market for a public owned product, not as much as you can get. we are seeing 20% increases in rent yearly 5 years running

that should be all that is measured....

Was talking about the cub

Taildraggers are a great way to sharpen skills. They are not as forgiving as tricycle so be vigilant! biggest thing for me to get used to was adding throttle after touchdown. Seems counterintuitive after all the time in a Mooney, but will save your bacon, and spare you a ground loop! killer plane. Is that a carbon cub? btw. That is a different tail#. NX909HH? is that how they number experimentals?

Flaps, pitot heat, boost pump, emergency bus, alternator, speed brakes etc. is the panel not required for these?

I think I thought they all did

You are correct, money is seldomly the problem, and more often than not the symptom. But once the problem is identified, and a plan is devised, money will absolutely be needed. I am not trying to convince anyone to do anything at this juncture. What I am suggesting is that this is kind of the only option on the table, so what is the harm with permitting the benefit of the doubt? No matter what they say or offer, there will be skeptics and people who choose not to participate. No way around this, but bashing the only folks trying to right the ship doesn't seem to be particularly helpful either, but this is good discussion, and hopefully they will listen and take to heart.