carusoam Posted December 25, 2014 Report Share Posted December 25, 2014 Schule, My fault... I don't think I expressed my thoughts very well.... Second attempt.... Two parts... 1) so many man hours have been placed into Timmy's education in this thread. Man hours that are being used to write and read this information... I am maintaining a pace to read everything that is posted on MS. This thread is getting challenging. 2) what would S from I find different about a theater that would inspire bringing a weapon? Where anywhere else the inspiration does not exist. If I were to get that feeling, It would explain why i don't go to the theater very often... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyboy0681 Posted December 25, 2014 Report Share Posted December 25, 2014 5.A CRAZY PERSON DEMONSTRATED HOW EFFECTIVELY HE COULD KILL LARGE NUMBERS IN A THEATRE 6.BECAUSE I CAN LEGALLY Yes, you are 100% correct. A crazy person did open fire in a theatre, but this was such an isolated case that it's not statistically significant. It's hard for me to fathom that this one case actually dictates your behaviour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carusoam Posted December 25, 2014 Report Share Posted December 25, 2014 I was simply hoping for irrational fear... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyboy0681 Posted December 25, 2014 Report Share Posted December 25, 2014 I AM SURE IT IS. YOU ARE RIGHT. I SHOULD PROBABLY CARRY MORE... Well, you just confirmed one of my long held thoughts on conservatives, that there is a certain amount of paranoia. I referred to this feeling many times when I spoke about the sponsors of Fox News, Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyboy0681 Posted December 25, 2014 Report Share Posted December 25, 2014 LIKE YOU SOUNDBITE I DO UNDERSTAND THAT THE STATISTICS ARE IN MY, YOUR AND EVERY POLICE OFFICERS FAVOR TO NEVER BE INVOLVED IN A SITUATION THAT REQUIRES DEADLY FORCE. SOME CHOOSE TO RELY ON STATS. SOME CHOOSE TO BE PREPARED. UNLIKE YOU I WON'T SPEW OUT A BUNCH OF RANDOM STATS ON THOSE THAT DID ARM AND PROTECT THEMSELVES FROM A DEADLY THREAT. THEY DID NOT RELY ON STATS. THEY WERE PREPARED. Other than mentioning that being mowed down in a movie theater is a statistical anomaly and improbability, where else have I quoted statistics? And why have you been yelling lately? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaronk25 Posted December 25, 2014 Report Share Posted December 25, 2014 Scott left out one other issue with movie theaters. The row by row elevated seating arrangement is such that no person is out of line of fire. I carry most of the time. I'm not a paranoid person, in my opinion (unless flying on top with ground visibilities at 1/4 mile in a single engine...then I hear things....) I normally forget I have the firearm on me. I pray that I never have to use it. I do feel sometimes if I dont have it with me and something bad happened to someone else that I could have stopped if I was carrying, I would have some guilt. I am very proficient with my firearm and personally I carry it more for others protection than my own. Bad things happen so fast and with 20 police on patrol at a given time to protect 100k people, they are almost always at least a few mins away. It's a tool and that's it. No different than a knife. No one knows I have it. That also allows a person to choose to get involved or not. These cowboys that open carry, make folks nervous and don't have the option of not being involved or the element of surprise. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaronk25 Posted December 25, 2014 Report Share Posted December 25, 2014 Hey and by the way MERRY CHRISTMAS ya filthy animals! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyboy0681 Posted December 25, 2014 Report Share Posted December 25, 2014 I carry most of the time. I'm not a paranoid person, in my opinion (unless flying on top with ground visibilities at 1/4 mile in a single engine...then I hear things....) I am curious about one thing, and this goes out to you, Scott and others that carry. Human's are a reactionary animal, that is, habits and beliefs are sometimes formed after an event. For example, people injured in a car accident will start wearing seatbelts after the incident where they didn't before it, a person who slips on an outdoor stair of their home may place a non-skid strip on it afterwards. Someone that slips in the bathtub may place a rubber mat in it. Was there an event in your life prompted you to carry? A mugging, altercation or just family tradition? Military service? Don't read anything into my question, like I said, just curious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottfromiowa Posted December 25, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 25, 2014 As I previously said I otained carry permit because I like to not worry about laws regarding transport of firearm and ammunition in an automobile. Having magazines loaded before getting to range saves fingers. Having to have weapon cased and locked. Having to have ammunition NOT in magazines and locked in a separate container or be a felon under weird circumstances. I obtained permit for convenience and to NOT become a felon for transporting my firearms. That's it, I enjoy all forms of recreational shooting. I did shoot rifle and pistol competitively in the Guard. Just shoot for fun now. VERY expensive unless you reload now with ammunition prices, like everything going up, up, up... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyboy0681 Posted December 25, 2014 Report Share Posted December 25, 2014 An isolated case? You mean like what in Ferguson, MO? Thank goodness that hasn't dictated anyone's behavior? Apples and oranges Dave. I'm surprised you even brought up that distinction. While you're at it, why not compare Ferguson to Columbine? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaronk25 Posted December 25, 2014 Report Share Posted December 25, 2014 I've grown up around guns but primary I see all the examples of evil in the world, primarily though media and how the only difference between peace and what I see in the news isn't the places but evil happened to be at that place at the given time. If that makes sense. For example the places these tragedies are common places such as malls, theaters and other public areas. The only difference between an enjoyable day and mass murder is a evil person with tools to cause harm. If I'm not carrying my options are very limited, if I am carrying I don't have to be involved, but I also can take action if needed. I guess in short the reason why is if I was in a theater and I hate the feeling of not being able to do something if needed. There wasn't any life event that happened, just think a lot when out and about and it makes me feel more comfortable. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyboy0681 Posted December 25, 2014 Report Share Posted December 25, 2014 I've grown up around guns but primary I see all the examples of evil in the world, primarily though media and how the only difference between peace and what I see in the news isn't the places but evil happened to be at that place at the given time. If that makes sense. For example the places these tragedies are common places such as malls, theaters and other public areas. The only difference between an enjoyable day and mass murder is a evil person with tools to cause harm. If I'm not carrying my options are very limited, if I am carrying I don't have to be involved, but I also can take action if needed. I guess in short the reason why is if I was in a theater and I hate the feeling of not being able to do something if needed. There wasn't any life event that happened, just think a lot when out and about and it makes me feel more comfortable. Evil definitely exists in this world, there's no denying that. Interestingly, almost without exception, these modern day massacres were conducted by people with a strong history of mental illness, be it Sandy Hook, Aurora, Virginia Tech, Tuscon etcetera etcetera. Sadly, many times there were warning signs but people in contact with them chose to ignore it. I know I'm going to be in the minority when I say this (have at it), but background checks should be extended for mental illness. I know this doesn't agree with the NRA's position, but if just one psycho is prevented from getting his hands on a firearm and doesn't attempt to obtain it through other means, then a whole world is saved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaronk25 Posted December 26, 2014 Report Share Posted December 26, 2014 I may support mental illness approval, as long as it doesn't prohibit good citizens from obtaining. I know guns scare people, especially those who know little about them. I just don't want those people making laws for the rest of us. Especially those who oppose fire arms may have a different view if they were involved in the middle of a tragedy. This example of a anti-gun advocate in a situation comes to mind "somebody do something". A would be conceal and carry person says "there is nothing we can do, none of the good guys have guns". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottfromiowa Posted December 26, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 26, 2014 Evil definitely exists in this world, there's no denying that. Interestingly, almost without exception, these modern day massacres were conducted by people with a strong history of mental illness, be it Sandy Hook, Aurora, Virginia Tech, Tuscon etcetera etcetera. Sadly, many times there were warning signs but people in contact with them chose to ignore it. I know I'm going to be in the minority when I say this (have at it), but background checks should be extended for mental illness. I know this doesn't agree with the NRA's position, but if just one psycho is prevented from getting his hands on a firearm and doesn't attempt to obtain it through other means, then a whole world is saved. Actually I would do some research here. I believe the NRA is fully in support of background checks...for mental illness. The gunshow "loophole" should be filled, BUT ONLY if screens are going to be consistently completed. Extend waiting period. Fine with me as I can obtain a firearm immediately in Iowa with Carry Permit as Proof of Background Screen. What is the criteria for "mental illness"? There was a period where returning vets were asked some questions upon returning from combat...prior to transition...such as "do you ever get nervous/anxious around people"...Are "professionals" going to say they can not purchase a weapon if they seek any kind of treatment? It is a slippery slope on infringing on individual rights...When is depression "as diagnosed by a professional" grounds for NOT obtaining a firearm. Tough one... Here is a problem. I want to sell a gun to my friend. Gunstore won't be bothered with doing a screen/brokering the sale. I can't find any stores in C.R. that will take a fee for a purchase I would like to make through gunbroker or gunsamerica. They want you to buy from them. What's a guy to do if he wants to collect older firearms? Go and get a Curio license. The mother bears a lot of responsibility for the Newtown tragedy. She was afraid of her son yet she allowed him to obtain her firearm that was used to kill her and others? LOCK 'em UP when not in use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyboy0681 Posted December 26, 2014 Report Share Posted December 26, 2014 Actually I would do some research here. I believe the NRA is fully in support of background checks...for mental illness. The gunshow "loophole" should be filled, BUT ONLY if screens are going to be consistently completed. Extend waiting period. Fine with me as I can obtain a firearm immediately in Iowa with Carry Permit as Proof of Background Screen. What is the criteria for "mental illness"? There was a period where returning vets were asked some questions upon returning from combat...prior to transition...such as "do you ever get nervous/anxious around people"...Are "professionals" going to say they can not purchase a weapon if they seek any kind of treatment? It is a slippery slope on infringing on individual rights...When is depression "as diagnosed by a professional" grounds for NOT obtaining a firearm. Tough one... After Sandy Hook the proposal was to create a national registry of any person who was treated for or had been diagnosed with a serious mental illness, such as schizophrenia or bipolar disorder. The operative here is serious mental illness, not anxiety or grief counseling. No detailed information was to be kept in the registry, just essentially a Yes/No flag. LaPierre wholeheartedly supported the idea of a mental health registry, but adamantly opposed that it be used during background checks. How a mental illness registry would be created and maintained is beyond my pay grade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottfromiowa Posted December 26, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 26, 2014 Good article on "Do Background Checks Reduce Murder Rates"? I typed in search for NRA position on background screens. The weak areas are thefts, dishonest gun dealers, Straw purchases (all that have laws in place) background screens will not stop these illegal ways to obtain firearms. The "fear" is gun registration followed by confiscation from Gun Control Advocates. Taking away guns from legal gun owners is not the answer. Chicago and Washington D.C. have some of the strictest gun laws and highest murder rates... I really take exception to your calling me paranoid. To calling Conservatives paranoid. I am not the problem. Why did an 18 year old have a handgun? (most recent shooting incident you described in Missouri) No one under the age of 21 can own/posess a handgun. Where did he get it? NOT GOOD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottfromiowa Posted December 26, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 26, 2014 You want to spend some Federal Money on tightening the background check/screening process across the country I am fine with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyboy0681 Posted December 26, 2014 Report Share Posted December 26, 2014 Good article on "Do Background Checks Reduce Murder Rates"? I typed in search for NRA position on background screens. The weak areas are thefts, dishonest gun dealers, Straw purchases (all that have laws in place) background screens will not stop these illegal ways to obtain firearms. The "fear" is gun registration followed by confiscation from Gun Control Advocates. Taking away guns from legal gun owners is not the answer. Chicago and Washington D.C. have some of the strictest gun laws and highest murder rates... I really take exception to your calling me paranoid. To calling Conservatives paranoid. I am not the problem. Why did an 18 year old have a handgun? (most recent shooting incident you described in Missouri) No one under the age of 21 can own/posess a handgun. Where did he get it? NOT GOOD. If I offended you, accept my apology. I'd would be ridiculous of me to say that background checks would prevent all 12,000 gun related homicides a year in this country. What I did say was that if a person was denied purchase of a gun through a background check that included mental illness and that person did not seek the weapon any other way - then it was worth it. With over 300 million guns in circulation in this country and thousands more being manufactured everyday, there is no way to put that genie back in the bottle. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottfromiowa Posted December 26, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 26, 2014 Accepted. I didn't even notice caps lock was on. I need better bi-focals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy95W Posted December 26, 2014 Report Share Posted December 26, 2014 I didn't even notice caps lock was on. I need better bi-focals +1. I hate getting old. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottfromiowa Posted December 26, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 26, 2014 Anybody read about the kooky project to have kids "steal" their parents handguns and turn them in at school? Nothing could go horribly wrong with that. Good Grief! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyboy0681 Posted December 26, 2014 Report Share Posted December 26, 2014 Anybody read about the kooky project to have kids "steal" their parents handguns and turn them in at school? Nothing could go horribly wrong with that. Good Grief! Sounds like when Soupy Sales told kids to go into their mothers purse, pull out the green colored paper and send it to him at the station. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alex Posted December 26, 2014 Report Share Posted December 26, 2014 http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=2e1_1417214518 No mental illness just really stupid parents/people..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alex Posted December 26, 2014 Report Share Posted December 26, 2014 http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=3b5_1419449225 What do you expect from San Francisco! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyboy0681 Posted December 26, 2014 Report Share Posted December 26, 2014 http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=3b5_1419449225 What do you expect from San Francisco! When Scott mentioned it I thought it was an officially sanctioned PSA, not something that some zit-faced kid produced. Anybody can produce a video on any subject under the sun. Even Snopes has something to say about it: http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/antigunpsa.asp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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