John Pleisse

$23k...too good to be true. This is typically what makes scams work....the unresistable urge to snatch a deal.

Quote: kortopates Actually sunset was 8:30pm PDT on the day of 7/7. The accident was 7:20pm. Also our low stratus layer here on west coast is typically only a few hundred feet thick. But even if it was a thousand feet, its never like flying into a wall of white but much more akin to flying to a fence with clear blue sky over it with full unobstructed views to the side(s) - at least until penetrating it which I don't think there is any evidence of. Good point about the possibility of misjudging its closeness. We usually have enough visual clues to tell when it’s that close and therefore I am more of the opinion its more likely he misjudged his ability to climb above it with plane load likely near max gross. But I doubt the final report will give us enough info to actually know.

Quote: Shadrach I fly out of a Class D drome and I get the sense that we're kind of like a farm team for the big leagues. Because of this, you can somehow hear the inexperience in our controller's voices and see it in thier instruction. Many times I've had tower controllers complicate what 4 pilots could have figured out easily...and with a lot less talk, but you have to start somewhere.

I had this happen to me recently. Ran my 201 off in the weeds at FDK to avoid an AC landing opposite and on the same runway. I had touched down, zero wind and a TBM 700 landed coming right at me. I confronted the pilot once on the ground and then gathered my witnesses. The pilot apologized and said he had the wrong CTAF puched in. I was on the frequencey calling my pattern and I was on the ground first posessing right of way by a wide margin. These should always be reported to your nearest FISDO. Trust me..they really want these documented and enforced. This incident will be a matter of public record within a month or two. The irony? The TBM 700 pilot was an AOPA Air Safety Foundation Visitor. In know...you gotta be kidding...

Departing at sunset...fog-strato-form. I don't think he was seeing much of anything. The fog was 2000 feet beyond the departing threshold. We have snow squalls here in the east. They sit off the edge of the runway threshold, but look like they are five miles away. I had a CFI tell me to launch into it once. We disagreed about the position of the snow. I said...let's give it just a minute. In under 30 sec's, the snow squall was over the airport. We were engulfed in white, with hardly enough visibity to taxi. This poor fellow was off the ground for only a second and looking point blank into IMC.

Recently certificated private pilots usually don't have airmanship or passengers issues....they are too recently trained and are too sharp. They won't let a kid take the yoke or end up in a departure stall, even if distracted. However, recently certificated private pilots who don't have an instrument rating won't last longer than 12 seconds in a low strato-layer. Especially with no altitude to recover. Multiple witnesses reported that the low layer of stratus clouds that was typical for the region at that time of year, was present just southwest of the airport. Some witnesses reported that the boundary of the stratus layer was coincident with Highway 1, which ran perpendicular to runway 2/20, and was situated about 1/4 mile from the threshold of runway 2.

The stall-spin was not the cause, but the result. This is a spacial disorientation accident. Instrument rating?

Was just snooping around and I said to myself.....Gee...with a screen name like "Mazerbase" his airplane better be entirely cooler than his screen name. It is...nice ride.

Quote: allsmiles I certainly hope you are right. I have no reason not to believe you. The problem with statistics is that they only apply to a population and not to the individual. I would hate to be flying behind that one that fails ! It's like the poor fellow drowning in the stream whose average depth was 2 feet !!

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Not weather or atmospheric related. NYC to DC around York PA 8,000 msl above cloud, I had Airforce One on a maintanence flight pass 750 feet above my windscreen. ATC kept calling our positions as I watched the jet approach. They kept calling it "Boeing One Heavy"....that was it. "Boeing One Heavy...you have the Mooney right"? "Negative, TCAS INOP".......Mooney 4352H, you have the 747 at your three o'clock, right? Yes I do.... Knowing the area very well and nearly every arrival into Potomac Approach, I had never seen a 747 over York, PA.... ever...especially at 8,000 msl. It looked like a Korean Air paint scheme as it approached, so I didn't give it much thought until it was right up on me. My mouth was hung wide open a solid minute. I said to Baltimore Approach (at the time), was that what I thought it was? The answer..."affirmative, Mooney 4352H caution wake turbulence". 750 feet, dead above my windscreen.

Valuation based on maintenance, aquisition price and value is great, but there are a few things people don't consider: 1) The days of buying a plane, flying it for five years, not maintaining or improving it and expecting to earn 5% on your investment are Oh-vah......forever. 2) People never factor in the value of actually flying the plane. 3) Sale or aquisition price have little to do with utility and overall ownership 4) In 45 years, no bankrupcey or sale of MAC (our 8th time now) has desimated valuation. I wonder about this time. If you intend to own it and fly it, buying a Mooney and pouring money into it is a good bet. In the end, you'll do well.

In the news peice Paul, one witness claims to have seen a peice of metal fly off. If this is true, you gotta wonder.

I have had a Garmin 340 for a 4 years. It is excellent. I was told PS engineering stuff was better. I ferried a friend's Ovation recently and it had a series 7000 PS.....no difference in sound quality.

My Charlotte client WSOC-TV offered standard and very even reporting with no smoking guns. Looks like a 252 or a Rocket. Apparently a very well liked guy. http://www.wsoctv.com/video/28591036/index.html

Quote: fantom Sad, but they very well may be related. The gear up was earlier this year, and a friend of mine who lives and keeps his plane just outside of Augusta is hearing stories about the prop spinning off the plane, and talk about substandard repair work.

I have owned a Mooney nearly 13 years and witnessed to ownership changes and now 2 bankruptcies. Just intuition, I think this round is different. Cirrus is in the game affecting the market, Diamond, Cessna, etc. As they go, we go. As for parts, somebody will see an opportunity to make a buck. It may be better for us long term. In the past, parts were a function of total prodcution. If production is removed from the equation, maybe a more robust and profitable parts supply can be made available.

Very sad..God rest his soul. You have to love the media. Absolute insult to his passing, reporting a previous gear-up in the same report as this final accident. Is this three now in a fewer number of months, all fatals?

Call Dodd Stretch...or show him this thread. If Airtex doesn't have the pattern, they'll make it. Airtex did my J and created a nice insert for this area. I couldn't be happier with the interior and especially the carpets they did for me. Btw, how are you Scott? Nice to see you back in the forums!

Quote: jelswick This is getting insane. If you keep moving in the way of the transaction, the person selling you something owes you follow-up. To instruct to spend money and then not complete the sale in a reasonable amount of time (and that isn't months!) means you've given up the right to get that back in your deposit. Most contracts I've seen would award the full deposit to Jimmie based on time taken, but the honorable thing, the thing Jimmie did was to return what was left of it from transactions instructed by this client (the pre-purchase inspection) to the person that couldn't get to a completed transaction within a reasonable period of time and move on.

The assumption is every pre-buy is a nit-pick to leverage price. Wish that weren't the case. That's an indictment of ownership. If he never took it to a MSC (recently or is weary of expense) and you have no intention of taking it to a MSC, why ask? I don't mean to be coy, but this is an issue with MSC's in general. People want their cake and eat it too. On one hand they want the expertise when it will help them, but won't invest in the ongoing vitallity of their plane and the fleet in general. The four MSC's I have taken my plane to have tenured IA's or A&P's who have worked on Mooneys nearly exclusively for their entire careers. What's that worth? Cashflow is king and sometimes geography prohibits it, but when able, I suggest the MSC route. I think Virigina aviation is back in biz....Lynchburg.

Quote: wolftimj Typo in SN#, correct now. Duh.

I own an A/C that passed through All American's hands 3 times, at one point in ownership of a family member of Jimmy's (youth-time building-according to Jimmy). The gentleman who purchased the airplane prior to me (from AAA) ended up having to top the engine immediately. He wasn't despondent, but rolled the dice on a 1200 engine. Fast forward 11 years later and I tried to sell the same plane to Jimmy. Now, while any shrewd broker would love to get his hands on a plane as improved as mine, Jimmy invested in SW airfare, his ferry pilot, a night in a local hotel and two tanks of fuel for FDK to SAT. Additionally, he agreed to take the plane 1 day before it was to fall out of annual. I didn't give it away and he was going to make money. I was upgrading to an A36 and two planes went sour in pre-buy...really sour...like a lot of needless expense. I came to San Antonio and took my plane back three weeks later...no questions asked, as both an angry seller and an angry, failed buyer. Jimmy didn't ask for a dime of his expenses back, which I put in the $750 range, maybe more. Jimmy rolled the dice just like you and I do when we buy. 2 lessons learned......First, brokers have an important roll buying and selling (I learned the hard way). Second, Jimmy's expertise is knowing a good plane and a good deal. Take it for what it is. Lighten up. He's fair and wants to make a buck. I wouldn't hesitate to buy or sell with him again. And he knows it, which is why he is so good at what he does. And Jimmy, please don't ask for the expense reimbursement at this juncture........You don't have to...you are shrewd enough to know we'll meet again, probably sooner than later.

Quote: sleepingsquirrel I think Airplane crashes are more interesting to the media because there are so many automobile accidents and deaths that they are no longer news! The media will cover a TV tower that collapses but never follow up with why did it crash. The same for aircraft accidents. It makes top of the hour until the next news item takes its place but the next top of the hour news story will not be about 120 deaths this week end on the nations higways. I did my part , I didn't crack up this week end.